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woogie



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Notice how rap has taken over pretty much every commercial?  Reply with quote  

So, I was listening to the radio at work the other day, and this decent beat comes on, then I hear Brother Ali flowing for a while, and it didn't seem quite like a commercial, then at the end it turns into a Marshall Fields spot....Anyway I was a bit suprised
Post Mon Aug 04, 2003 6:08 pm
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August Spies



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yeah rap is getting pretty sad now. Did everyone see the common coke commercial where the whole time he talks about hwo he isn't gonna sell his image for merchandise and stuff...

what a fucking joke.
Post Mon Aug 04, 2003 6:14 pm
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Doctrine



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Yeah...When that commercial first aired this forum had about 10 threads of debate on it...
Post Mon Aug 04, 2003 6:33 pm
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woogie wrote:
So, I was listening to the radio at work the other day, and this decent beat comes on, then I hear Brother Ali flowing for a while, and it didn't seem quite like a commercial, then at the end it turns into a Marshall Fields spot....Anyway I was a bit suprised


brother ali has sold out already? and wtf is Marshall Fields?
Post Mon Aug 04, 2003 6:43 pm
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why has he sold out just cause a commercial IS PAYING HIM to use his music? i've always thought of selling out when you change your whole persona as to where your lyrics become commercial as well as neptunes on your beats. i never knew someone getting paid was selling out. thats bullshit. some of you hip hop heads are so keen on people "selling out" that they arent allowed to take any money for things they did regardless of context or what have you. just two months ago everyone was on the mans nuts cause his album was so dope. and now that he is pushing his album (the same on everyone was jocking just a while ago) so that he could feed his family, it is considered to sell out. why? its the same exact lyrics, same exact beats, not one thing has changed and hes sold out. huh, you type of people blow
Post Mon Aug 04, 2003 6:51 pm
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scribe wrote:
why has he sold out just cause a commercial IS PAYING HIM to use his music? i've always thought of selling out when you change your whole persona as to where your lyrics become commercial as well as neptunes on your beats. i never knew someone getting paid was selling out. thats bullshit. some of you hip hop heads are so keen on people "selling out" that they arent allowed to take any money for things they did regardless of context or what have you. just two months ago everyone was on the mans nuts cause his album was so dope. and now that he is pushing his album (the same on everyone was jocking just a while ago) so that he could feed his family, it is considered to sell out. why? its the same exact lyrics, same exact beats, not one thing has changed and hes sold out. huh you type of people blow



Associating Neptunes beats with "selling out" is a bit obtuse.
Post Mon Aug 04, 2003 6:53 pm
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peresonally I have little respect for people that whore themselves out to corporations (I dont' know this BA thing, just saying in general), but I think you are correct about "selling out", that is more changing your style in order to be more platable to the masses.
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scribe wrote:
why has he sold out just cause a commercial IS PAYING HIM to use his music?


i don't think they're just paying him to use one of his songs on the commercial. i haven't heard it, but i think he was actually rapping about jeans and whatever else.. which is kinda ridiculous to me, but i don't really care all that much, as long as he doesn't put that as a bonus track on his next album or some shit like that..
Post Mon Aug 04, 2003 7:00 pm
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djdee2005 wrote:
scribe wrote:
why has he sold out just cause a commercial IS PAYING HIM to use his music? i've always thought of selling out when you change your whole persona as to where your lyrics become commercial as well as neptunes on your beats. i never knew someone getting paid was selling out. thats bullshit. some of you hip hop heads are so keen on people "selling out" that they arent allowed to take any money for things they did regardless of context or what have you. just two months ago everyone was on the mans nuts cause his album was so dope. and now that he is pushing his album (the same on everyone was jocking just a while ago) so that he could feed his family, it is considered to sell out. why? its the same exact lyrics, same exact beats, not one thing has changed and hes sold out. huh you type of people blow



Associating Neptunes beats with "selling out" is a bit obtuse.


it was solely an example adn good enough for you to understand. that part of the message was irrelevent to the big picture
Post Mon Aug 04, 2003 7:07 pm
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August Spies wrote:
peresonally I have little respect for people that whore themselves out to corporations (I dont' know this BA thing, just saying in general), but I think you are correct about "selling out", that is more changing your style in order to be more platable to the masses.


i concur. thanks for the support.
Post Mon Aug 04, 2003 7:10 pm
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favian



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scribe wrote:
why has he sold out just cause a commercial IS PAYING HIM to use his music? i've always thought of selling out when you change your whole persona as to where your lyrics become commercial as well as neptunes on your beats. i never knew someone getting paid was selling out. thats bullshit. some of you hip hop heads are so keen on people "selling out" that they arent allowed to take any money for things they did regardless of context or what have you. just two months ago everyone was on the mans nuts cause his album was so dope. and now that he is pushing his album (the same on everyone was jocking just a while ago) so that he could feed his family, it is considered to sell out. why? its the same exact lyrics, same exact beats, not one thing has changed and hes sold out. huh, you type of people blow


this type of selling out is exploiting someone's fame or image to sell whatever it is you're selling. there are two forms of selling out.. the type you described, and the type i've described also.

=P
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Yeah there's two types...
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What fucking ever.

Jesus, guys. Why the hell is art diametrically opposed to money? I mean, seriously now.

I do appreciate that some legitimate artists have in fact sold out and their music pretty much sucks now as a result, etc. etc.

HOWEVER, there is this bizzare attitude that as soon as you try to make a decent living from your art that it is no longer "pure" or some bullshit like that. So Brother Ali is doing ad spots on the radio now, so what? That doesn't mean he can't still make good music.
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HOWEVER, there is this bizzare attitude that as soon as you try to make a decent living from your art that it is no longer "pure" or some bullshit like that. So Brother Ali is doing ad spots on the radio now, so what? That doesn't mean he can't still make good music.


Define decent living. Was Brother Ali living all that terrible of a life? Was life so bad that he had, or worse yet, wanted to sell out to make money off of someone who probably doesn't give a fuck about his music, but wants to cater to a certain demographic market?

Please also explain to me how money (example selling your music for a radio commercial/snippet or whatever the fuck it was) expanded Brother Ali's musical creativity! How did this make his "Art" better?

Scribe, I generally agree with you, however I am very suprised to find out your opinoin on this matter. Especially your valued opinions regarding capitalism, anarchism, and socialism. This does not seem to fit your typical online personality.
Post Tue Aug 05, 2003 2:40 am
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I LOVE QUOTES  Reply with quote  

"I hear 'em cryin, "You gon' sell out" ya damn right
I done sold out before and re-comped the same night
Straight hopped the next flight, too *Icey* for sunlight
Dunkin without Sprite..."
- Nelly

"Don't hate the player, hate the game"
- I really don't know where this one is from

also, I don't know what Marshald Fields is, but could it be possible that Ali actually likes the store and did it for more than just money?
Post Tue Aug 05, 2003 2:55 am
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