Sage Francis
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This was on our local news today. I filmed it with my camera to make sure it was available on YouTube. Sad truth is, there's no dearth of these type of stories. Especially here in RI.
Gotta love the nonchalant manner in which this cop returns to his paper work after kicking a handcuffed woman in the back of her head. Business as usual, ya know? She's certainly no angel, as this video shows, but this is far from proper protocol on behalf of a man who is paid in tax dollars by the public whom they have sworn to serve and protect. Regardless of that, there is also the matter of basic human decency to consider. Heck, maybe I'm just old fashioned...but when an intoxicated woman who is handcuffed on the ground takes a swipe at your leg, maybe you should check to see if she's OK after you knock her out cold.
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Thu Jan 05, 2012 7:33 pm |
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poopsnack
Joined: 15 Jan 2004
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really hard to watch. horrific. I'd love to see the responsible cops get the punishment they deserve, but I know that will not happen. |
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Wed May 09, 2012 5:48 am |
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al(phonic)
Joined: 12 May 2005
Posts: 766
Location: maine |
wow.
i am sick to my stomach
"on something" or not, theres like 6 guys reefing and beating on him. id be tense and 'fighting' too, like any person who's brain senses extreme danger. beating to the head by a cop should never be necessary, especially when their life is not truly threatened.
but, hey, at least they made sure to latex up
i don't even know what they were attempting to do. cuff wrists, feet, then pick up and carry to cruiser. and at the end they're still all asking what they want to do
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Thu May 10, 2012 12:38 pm |
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Plum Puddin'
Joined: 26 May 2008
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Location: Get off my lawn. |
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Thu May 10, 2012 6:38 pm |
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27
Joined: 02 Feb 2003
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After reading the article, and maybe I'm misinterpreting what was written, it sounds like one of the cops is quoted as saying that he started bashing the guys face in with the end of his taser.
That's so horrific to think of. |
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Thu May 10, 2012 8:29 pm |
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Plum Puddin'
Joined: 26 May 2008
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Location: Get off my lawn. |
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Thu May 10, 2012 9:29 pm |
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al(phonic)
Joined: 12 May 2005
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Location: maine |
27 wrote:
After reading the article, and maybe I'm misinterpreting what was written, it sounds like one of the cops is quoted as saying that he started bashing the guys face in with the end of his taser.
That's so horrific to think of.
i read it as he used up his taser, and resorted to something. as i watched it, it looked like a flashlight. like 1/2 way in, or a little more. right before he asks for more help, right before the victim goes quiet
it fucks me up even more to know they all did this. not one of them stood up and said, 'shit, what are we doing? maybe we should tone it down. this is a human being, for christs sake. and its not like he's wielding a weapon or hostage'. nope.
will be interesting to see what pans out in court. or before it goes to court. and if its bullshit, what ensues after
it would be lame and awesome if a candidate used it as a rally |
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Thu May 10, 2012 10:06 pm |
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Jared Paul
Joined: 15 Jul 2002
Posts: 3717
Location: www.PrayersForAtheists.org |
So how are we feeling about Police as a concept?
Do they make us safer or less safe? Does it depend on the cop / department?
Do we need police?
I used to get so irritated when my socialist and anarchist friends would go on and on about how the police, at the end of the day, were only in place to protect corporations and the wealthy, that the drug war was a farce to criminalize the poor and justify spending for policing programs and to make sure the industrial prison complex keeps growing, that police were a key feature in upholding capitalism's campaign to separate working people by race, that society would function better without police in general.
I'm not sure I'm ready for a society without any cops at all. But I'm definitely getting closer... |
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Fri May 11, 2012 3:11 pm |
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Mark in Minnesota
Joined: 02 Jan 2004
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Location: Saint Louis Park, MN |
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I've mentioned this before in a different context, but: In 19th century London, Robert Peel helped to found what is considered to be the first modern police force; this police force is (or, perhaps, was once) associated with what we now call the Peelian Principles:
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1. The basic mission for which the police exist is to prevent crime and disorder.
2. The ability of the police to perform their duties is dependent upon the public approval of police actions.
3. Police must secure the willing co-operation of the public in voluntary observation of the law to be able to secure and maintain the respect of the public.
4. The degree of co-operation of the public that can be secured diminishes proportionately to the necessity of the use of physical force.
5. Police seek and preserve public favour not by catering to public opinion, but by constantly demonstrating absolute impartial service to the law.
6. Police use physical force to the extent necessary to secure observance of the law or to restore order only when the exercise of persuasion, advice, and warning is found to be insufficient.
7. Police, at all times, should maintain a relationship with the public that gives reality to the historic tradition that the police are the public and the public are the police; the police being only members of the public who are paid to give full-time attention to duties which are incumbent upon every citizen in the interests of community welfare and existence.
8. Police should always direct their action strictly towards their functions, and never appear to usurp the powers of the judiciary.
9. The test of police efficiency is the absence of crime and disorder, not the visible evidence of police action in dealing with it.
I absolutely, fervently support a police force which adheres to these principles.
I believe in the basic ideal that we should employ a group of people to keep order, impartially and with the consent of the community. I believe it's a critical component of a just and peaceful society.
I also believe that police are people, first and foremost. There are good cops and shitty cops just like there are good teachers and shitty teachers, good line cooks and shitty line cooks, good bus drivers and shitty bus drivers, good CEOs and shitty CEOs. Not every person who has a badge should get to keep it. Not every police department has leadership worth a damn. We need processes in place to reward the good cops and commanders while weeding out the shitty ones; the problem is not that the institution is corrupt, the problem is that the job is hard to do well. It's supposed to be hard, and people who aren't up to the challenge are supposed to lose their jobs.
I think that activists do a good job of calling attention to police abuses like the ones in this thread, but undermine the overall cause of bringing those abusive police officers in line by rallying to end (or significantly curtail) the role of police in our society. A better option would be seeking to contrast these unacceptable actions with similar situations where the police behaved admirably. There should be a dozens of arrest videos like this on the Internet that started out similarly to the one at the top of this thread, but where the expected audience reaction is "Wow, what an awful, reckless woman. She's lucky that police in <city> are such able professionals, that situation could have escalated way out of control otherwise."
Citizen journalists who film the police shouldn't just be uploading videos of police abusing their authority or breaking the law; they should also be uploading the much more boring and numerous videos of the police doing their job correctly and without event or outrage. |
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Fri May 11, 2012 3:58 pm |
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Sage Francis
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Mark in Minnesota wrote:
Citizen journalists who film the police shouldn't just be uploading videos of police abusing their authority or breaking the law; they should also be uploading the much more boring and numerous videos of the police doing their job correctly and without event or outrage.
And newspapers should report on every mundane activity of our day-to-day life rather than just reporting on what might be of particular interest to us outside of what's normal or expected. What a wonderful system that would be. |
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Fri May 11, 2012 4:42 pm |
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Mark in Minnesota
Joined: 02 Jan 2004
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Yeah, I'm not happy about how I spelled that out. I'm just saying that good cops still dramatically outnumber bad cops, and that the drumbeat to end police abuse sometimes causes that to get lost in the noise.
I'm not sure how we maintain a proper sense of proportion without showing the boring parts alongside the outrages--but it's the sense of proportion I'm after, not the deluge of boring content. |
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Fri May 11, 2012 5:33 pm |
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SFR announcement
Joined: 26 Jul 2004
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I've never seen your logic fall to pieces in this kind of way. You're usually incredibly sharp. We see the boring every day, you know? I see the cops hanging out in Dunkin Donuts shooting the shit and just chillaxing (no, I really do.) Sometimes I see them writing tickets and keeping those nasty speedsters on the road in total check. Sometimes I see them responding to a domestic violence situation -- all good. But when it comes to "filming the police" or citizen journalism, we haven't always had the technology or opportunity to call them out for abusing their authority. Breaking the law. Falsely arresting us. Killing us. Keeping us in fear, never sure of whether we can actually exercise our right to keep them in check and hold them accountable for their actions. Who polices the police, ya know? Cuz...like...the "law" always seems to be on their side and stuff. Or something like that. I don't know...it's just like...something i've heard, man. I have no real opinion of my own on this. Some police are bad. Some or most are good supposedly. Might as well just call it a draw and move on. |
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Fri May 11, 2012 6:17 pm |
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C.R.A.Z.Y
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I'm studying Policing in college and I just wrote a research paper on police brutality. In the research I found hundreds (or thousands probably) of terrible stories. More recently there was a cop who kicked a pregnant lady in the stomach and in L.A. a guy who had tried to join the Los Angeles police explorers program, but was rejected took the cops on a high speed chase called 911 in the middle of it, said he had a gun and then said he would shoot the cops. He stopped his car, got out and pointed a cell phone at them in a crouch shoot position and they pumped 90 plus bullets into the kid.
Sadly, some of the most tragic incidents of police brutality occur after high speed pursuits. So some departments no longer allow police to go on high speed chases. It's called High Speed Pursuit synrdrome. It's not an excuse, but there's a direct corellation.
Cops in N.J. are in trouble with the state for taking numerous bankers, lawyers and an NFl star on a 100 mile per hr + race on the turnpike, it was for a charity car event, and the cars were all Lambo's and Porshces and the cops gave them a police " escort " at over a hundred plus miles, they claim it wasn't officially sanctioned- but it was being monitored by the state police radio dispatch... when they looked into it, it's not the first time it has happened in N.J. Not brutality, but definatly cops putting ppl they protect and serve in danger.
Fortunatly many of the departments around the country are trying to recruit newer officers in modern police reform, seeking more educated officer applicants, and making cops get more psych visits etc. They are now trying to weed out cops that drink a lot because in the good old boy days all the drunk cops are a big problem. and they do background checks that are more and more strict at many major departments, plus they are picking better applicants because the jobs in policing are fewer and fewer so they get tons of apps and have waiting lists and are trying to only recruit the best. but there's no personality profile for a " potential bad cop " so once they hire someone they just have to see what happens.
A lot of good cops are trying to root the bad cops out and the problem is the
" thin blue line " the police culture and code of silence. Also, in my research I discovered that almost every other day a cop is murdered or dies from accident in incidents. A major problem is police with PTSD stay on the job long after they should have left and that's one reason for some brutalities.
it's very unfortunate as fuck that to weed out the shit cops they have to do fucked up stuff and then still they get protected by other cops.
The bad reputation of some bad cops, causes problems in the community and in the inter departmental ranks for the good cops, who are put in actual danger when they go up against the crooked cops. So a lot of departments are mandating independant advisory boards to review incidents because I.A do not work for people.
I undertook my studies with skepticism and learned though that there's good cops and some change is happening, just very slowly. Thanks to the help of witnesses, filmings, lawsuits, brutality deaths.
it;s hard for the good cops to go up against the bad cops, often the bad cops are the older less educated more long term officers. Good cops often commit suicide because they feel alienated from the society they protect and serve that often hates them for what the bad cops do, and alienated by the police force ...a lot of times it is the younger cops, trying to buck the system and learn the ropes and they just end up getting beat down trapped between two cultures, unappreciated by both.
A few key changes that have made departments better and have less instances of excessive force, include diversifying the force, and independent review boards.
But the progress is too slow and not good enough for the community.
Also I'm about to be the doorman at A COP BAR. LOL. |
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