Szechwan
Joined: 19 Mar 2007
Posts: 578
Location: Vancouver Island |
| HEADLINE: FOR THE FIRST TIME IN HIS LIFE, SANTORUM PULLS OUT |
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Surprised no one has jumped on this around here. I'm gonna miss that little rascal.
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Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:27 pm |
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FuseONE
Joined: 11 Jul 2002
Posts: 1713
Location: Newark, DE |
I wish he hadn't dropped out. The longer he was in, the more he hurt Romney's chances in the general by dragging him right. From a purely political point of view though, it was impressive that he made it as far as he did into the process. |
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Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:06 pm |
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jakethesnake
guy who cried about wrestling being real
Joined: 03 Feb 2006
Posts: 6244
Location: airstrip one |
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Thu Apr 12, 2012 5:37 am |
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corporateslave
Joined: 10 May 2005
Posts: 1106
Location: Lawrence, KS |
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jakethesnake wrote:
Fuck your Obama:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-17516108
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Obama and Medvedev caught in unguarded missile remarks
Barack Obama was recorded saying he would have more "flexibility" after November's election
TV cameras have recorded US President Barack Obama making unguarded comments with Russian President Dmitry Medvedev.
Mr Obama said he would have more "flexibility" on difficult issues such as the US missile defence plans after November's election.
Mr Medvedev said he would relay the message to Vladimir, a reference to newly elected President Vladimir Putin.
The White House later released a statement playing down the importance of the remarks.
"Since 2012 is an election year in both countries, with an election and leadership transition in Russia and an election in the United States, it is clearly not a year in which we are going to achieve a breakthrough," said deputy national security adviser Ben Rhodes.
Moscow has long opposed American plans to build a so-called defence shield in and around Europe capable of shooting down ballistic missiles.
Mr Obama and Mr Medvedev met during a nuclear summit in the South Korean capital Seoul.
According to a transcript of the recorded remarks carried by ABC News, Mr Obama told his Russian counterpart: "On all these issues, but particularly missile defence, this, this can be solved but it's important for him to give me space."
Mr Medvedev responded: "Yeah, I understand. I understand your message about space. Space for you."
Mr Obama then said: "This is my last election. After my election I have more flexibility."
Mr Medvedev replied: "I understand. I will transmit this information to Vladimir."
Numerous politicians have found remarks that they thought were private being captured by open microphones.
In 2006 US President George Bush was caught in a candid conversation with British Prime Minister Tony Blair. It became famous for Mr Bush starting the exchange with "Yo, Blair".
And in November last year President Sarkozy was heard describing the Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu as a "liar", also while talking with Mr Obama.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2012/03/26/open-mic-catches-obama-asking-russian-president-for-space-on-missile-defense/?hpt=hp_c2
Ha, name a politician capable of being elected president who wouldn't talk casually about using their political capital behind the scenes, and then maybe I'll act like I find this a little bit shocking. |
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Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:43 am |
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jakethesnake
guy who cried about wrestling being real
Joined: 03 Feb 2006
Posts: 6244
Location: airstrip one |
Nothing is shocking.
I'm just pointing out the fact to people who think Obama is different. He's not.
Obomney '12~~! |
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Thu Apr 12, 2012 6:56 am |
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Captiv8
Joined: 25 Aug 2006
Posts: 8167
Location: Third Coast |
Is the American public so naive? Concerns over reelection has dictated the behavior of presidents for a long time. What I'm more interested in seeing is what Obama will do if reelected, when he's effectively "freed-up" (which is bullshit, but so it goes) to make policy decision based upon what's best for the United States and not his political career. In my mind, that has become the benchmark of what defines a good president: do they act for themselves or for the people they represent. I know I'm sort of a broken record on this, but the system itself is flawed. |
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Thu Apr 12, 2012 10:09 am |
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Confidential
Joined: 23 Jan 2004
Posts: 2041
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jakethesnake wrote:
Nothing is shocking.
I'm just pointing out the fact to people who think Obama is different. He's not.
Obomney '12~~!
I understand the sentiment. I'm really not that excited about the democratic party, or Obama. However, if we look at this objectively, I think we might find some significant differences between Obama and Romney. Granted, these aren't radically different, and I'm not trying to excuse the Obama administrations militarization. I'm just saying that we have a system that constrains whoever gets in office. If one president could make all the changes, he'd be a dictator. I think most of us agree that the political system is fundamentally broken and that our representatives don't actually represent us. Personally, I'm skeptical of the argument that a second term will allow more room to make changes, given that we've sort of gone backwards in some ways during the first term, so I can't imagine much progress. The president is powerful, but not all powerful, and the movement toward loss of civil liberties, concentrated wealth, natural resources exploitation, defeat of labor, and politically rhetorical constructions of enemy nations is going to happen with or without him. I could be wrong, but this is what I see happening, and I'm not sure who I'll vote for or if I'll vote. But if I vote, there's zero chance that it will be for Romney. |
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Sat May 05, 2012 2:55 pm |
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Confidential
Joined: 23 Jan 2004
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Captiv8 wrote:
Is the American public so naive? Concerns over reelection has dictated the behavior of presidents for a long time. What I'm more interested in seeing is what Obama will do if reelected, when he's effectively "freed-up" (which is bullshit, but so it goes) to make policy decision based upon what's best for the United States and not his political career. In my mind, that has become the benchmark of what defines a good president: do they act for themselves or for the people they represent. I know I'm sort of a broken record on this, but the system itself is flawed.
I agree |
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Sat May 05, 2012 3:03 pm |
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Jesse
Joined: 02 Jul 2002
Posts: 6166
Location: privileged homeless |
some things are the same about them, and that sucks
some things are different about them, and that matters
why is everyone a fuckin' nine year old about this |
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Mon May 07, 2012 4:25 pm |
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Plum Puddin'
Joined: 26 May 2008
Posts: 1644
Location: Get off my lawn. |
COZ MY GUY WOULD BEAT UP YOUR GUY ANY DAY OF THE WEEK!
Plus my guy has a force field. |
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Mon May 07, 2012 6:37 pm |
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Dr Sagacious
Joined: 01 Mar 2009
Posts: 1841
Location: Redford |
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Jesse wrote:
some things are the same about them, and that sucks
some things are different about them, and that matters
why is everyone a fuckin' nine year old about this
Who is being a nine year old about this?
Some things are the same about them:
They both believe in staying in Afghanistan. Their "health-care reforms" are not big sweeping foundational-shaking reforms, they are market reforms, they are almost identical to each other. They both paraded around as "progressives" at one point in their political careers. They are representatives of the same ruling class.
Some things that are different about them:
They have different appearances. One is a representative of the Liberal half of the ruling class, the other is a representative of the Conservative side.
So, Jesse. Please, tell me, how is complaining that we are given bullshit to vote for a childish thing all of a sudden? There is no power behind voting, because moneyed interests offer the candidate and fund them. Moneyed interests obviously do not care about drastic reform, they are interested in putting band-aids on the system. Obama is a bandaid. He will be a bandaid for the next four years. And then after that, someone can come in after him, and either peel the bandaids off, or get to stackin' em while the bills of Aghanistan are socialized through budget cuts/tax increases and the approaching Student-loan debt crisis rears its ugly fuck of a head. All the while, people are being nine year olds about their Politicians, and how we are entitled to better lives, and the means to achieve that. |
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Tue May 08, 2012 8:22 am |
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mlanifesto
Joined: 16 Apr 2006
Posts: 354
Location: UK>Head Like a Fucking Orange County>San Francisco |
Dr Sagacious wrote:
Obama is a bandaid. He will be a bandaid for the next four years. And then after that, someone can come in after him, and either peel the bandaids off, or get to stackin' em
This is the point where someone says something about the supreme court, and how they need to put in people who are like old Reagan appointee instead of to his right. Stuff about holding off an overturning of Roe v. Wade etc.
Lesser of 2 evils, you'll get less evil etc. |
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Tue May 08, 2012 8:35 am |
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Dr Sagacious
Joined: 01 Mar 2009
Posts: 1841
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I'm tired of having to choose evil at all. I'm tired of the people that could possibly help us cannot possibly be legitimate contendors for office because of how much money is poured in against them. The system is fundamentally flawed, and results in massive contractions. Here in America, the most successful global capitalist country ever, people like Mitt Romney spit empty platitudes like "America is fundamentally fair" that have been spit since the framing days. Just delusions that we are fed and put stock in.
We can never know true equality in a system that produces inequalities. |
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Tue May 08, 2012 8:56 am |
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GrantherBirdly
D&D addict
Joined: 05 Jun 2004
Posts: 3120
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Dr Sagacious wrote:
Jesse wrote:
some things are the same about them, and that sucks
some things are different about them, and that matters
why is everyone a fuckin' nine year old about this
Who is being a nine year old about this?
Some things are the same about them:
They both believe in staying in Afghanistan.
Actually, they both want to remove troops from Afghanistan, with Obama (so far) adhering to a fixed timeframe while Romney is more open to adjusting the timeframe based on conditions on the ground.
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Their "health-care reforms" are not big sweeping foundational-shaking reforms, they are market reforms, they are almost identical to each other. They both paraded around as "progressives" at one point in their political careers. They are representatives of the same ruling class.
Romney has stated publicly and repeatedly that he would repeal, in toto, the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act ("Obamacare"). In what world does that make his policy the same as Obama's??
If you were serious about drawing unsettling parallels between Romney and Obama you would mention how Obama has failed to close down Guantanamo, continued to make use of military tribunals, assassinated American citizens on foreign soil, doubled down on the drone program, and pushed forward with a chillingly intrusive domestic surveillance practices. I'm not naive enough to believe Obama is some exemplar of political uprightness or that he represents a complete break with his predecessor. But I'm also not naive enough to collapse the very real, and very significant, differences between him and his opponent. We’ve made that mistake in the past and paid horribly for it, please let’s not do that again. |
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Tue May 08, 2012 10:05 am |
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