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Captiv8



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Now the police are bukkakeing the elderly. Christ.
Post Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:00 pm
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She was obviously posing a threat.
Post Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:08 pm
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Why are the police pretending to be soldiers?



Shutting down Occupy Chapel Hill in Nth Carolina.
Post Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:35 pm
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Something funny happened on my way to a transportation meeting in Northgate. As I got off the bus at 3rd and Pine I heard helicopters above. Knowing that the problems of New York would certainly precipitate action by Occupy Seattle, I thought I better check it out. Especially since only yesterday the City Government made a grandiose gesture to protect free speech. Well free speech does have its limits as I found out as the cops shoved their bicycles into the crowd and simultaneously pepper sprayed the so captured protesters. If it had not been for my Hero (Iraq Vet Caleb) I would have been down on the ground and trampled. This is what democracy looks like. It certainly left an impression on the people who rode the No. 1 bus home with me. In the women's movement there were signs which said: "Screw us and we multiply."

Dorli Rainey. 84




Post Wed Nov 16, 2011 8:51 pm
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Charlie Foxtrot wrote:
phataccino wrote:
Sage Francis wrote:
During this afternoon's press conference at Occupy Boston, Russell presented a Constitutional amendment written for a true democracy by a leading Senior Congressman, which bars all but public financing for Federal candidates running for public office.

The amendment goes as follows:

Section 1. All elections for President and members of the United States House of Representatives and the United States Senate shall be publicly financed. No political contributions shall be permitted to any federal candidate, from any other source, including the candidate. No political expenditures shall be permitted in support of any federal candidate, or in opposition to any federal candidate, from any other source, including the candidate. Nothing in this Section shall be construed to abridge the freedom of the press.

Section 2. The Congress shall, by statute, provide limitations on the amounts and timing of the expenditures of such public funds and provide criminal penalties for any violation of this section.

Section 3. The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Section 4. This article shall be inoperative unless it is ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the several States, as provided in the Constitution.

This is the time when the system fights back against your right to peacefully assemble around the cause of transparent democracy, to make your voices heard.

Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/russell-simmons-announcement-occupy-wall-street-amendment-details-photos#ixzz1dqGjtcGQ



Even if this had the support of enough states to pass, the Supreme Court has already ruled in Buckley vs. Valeo that political contributions are protected speech. I don't see the current court (or, likely, any court) reversing that.


The proposed constitutional amendment would supersede the first amendment, in the same way that the amendment to end prohibition (21) superseded the amendment to establish prohibition (18).

Ahh...right. Not sure what I was thinking. Still, it has no chance in hell of being ratified.
Post Wed Nov 16, 2011 9:34 pm
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Not sure about the reliability of this, but ICE , FBI and Mayors collaborated on the coordinated evictions of OWS across cities.
http://www.juancole.com/2011/11/police-crackdowns-on-ows-coordinated-among-mayors-fbi-dhs.html

My local newspaper's editorial reads: Protestors made their point, now go home. It conveniently overlooked the systemic police abuse and suggested OWS turn their energy to electing candidates. So they clearly missed the point.
Post Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:04 pm
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phataccino wrote:
Charlie Foxtrot wrote:
phataccino wrote:
Sage Francis wrote:
During this afternoon's press conference at Occupy Boston, Russell presented a Constitutional amendment written for a true democracy by a leading Senior Congressman, which bars all but public financing for Federal candidates running for public office.

The amendment goes as follows:

Section 1. All elections for President and members of the United States House of Representatives and the United States Senate shall be publicly financed. No political contributions shall be permitted to any federal candidate, from any other source, including the candidate. No political expenditures shall be permitted in support of any federal candidate, or in opposition to any federal candidate, from any other source, including the candidate. Nothing in this Section shall be construed to abridge the freedom of the press.

Section 2. The Congress shall, by statute, provide limitations on the amounts and timing of the expenditures of such public funds and provide criminal penalties for any violation of this section.

Section 3. The Congress shall have the power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Section 4. This article shall be inoperative unless it is ratified as an amendment to the Constitution by conventions in the several States, as provided in the Constitution.

This is the time when the system fights back against your right to peacefully assemble around the cause of transparent democracy, to make your voices heard.

Read more: http://globalgrind.com/news/russell-simmons-announcement-occupy-wall-street-amendment-details-photos#ixzz1dqGjtcGQ



Even if this had the support of enough states to pass, the Supreme Court has already ruled in Buckley vs. Valeo that political contributions are protected speech. I don't see the current court (or, likely, any court) reversing that.


The proposed constitutional amendment would supersede the first amendment, in the same way that the amendment to end prohibition (21) superseded the amendment to establish prohibition (18).

Ahh...right. Not sure what I was thinking. Still, it has no chance in hell of being ratified.


Yeah...So we might as well not even try to pressure our Congressmen to start the discussion in Congress. What's the point, right? Everyone might as well go home... It was fun though...
Post Wed Nov 16, 2011 10:51 pm
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Is that what you think I said?
Post Thu Nov 17, 2011 10:09 am
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That's kind of how what you said came off to me. What's the point of trying? It has no chance in hell of getting ratified.

I guess I interpreted what you wrote incorrectly?
Post Thu Nov 17, 2011 6:03 pm
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How about you stop arguing semantics and interpret this money trail?


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http://www.disinfo.com/2011/10/jp-morgan-chase-donates-4-6-million-to-nypd-on-eve-of-protests/

JP Morgan Chase Donates $4.6 Million To NYPD On Eve Of Protests
Posted by JacobSloan on October 3, 2011

Wondering how much it costs to buy off the police department? JP Morgan Chase just gave the New York City Police Foundation the largest donation in its history. How the police show their gratitude will presumably determine whether they receive similar donations from companies in the future. Via Naked Capitalism:

No matter how you look at this development, it does not smell right. From JP Morgan’s website, hat tip Lisa Epstein:

JPMorgan Chase recently donated an unprecedented $4.6 million to the New York City Police Foundation. The gift was the largest in the history of the foundation and will enable the New York City Police Department to strengthen security in the Big Apple. The money will pay for 1,000 new patrol car laptops, as well as security monitoring software in the NYPD’s main data center.

New York City Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly sent CEO and Chairman Jamie Dimon a note expressing “profound gratitude” for the company’s donation.

“These officers put their lives on the line every day to keep us safe,” Dimon said. “We’re incredibly proud to help them build this program and let them know how much we value their hard work.”

Now readers can point out that this gift is bupkis relative to the budget of the police department, which is close to $4 billion. But looking at it on a mathematical basis likely misses the incentives at work. Dimon is one of the most powerful and connected corporate leaders in Gotham City. If he thinks the police donation was worthwhile, he might encourage other bank and big company CEOs to make large donations.

And what sort of benefits might JPM get? The police might be extra protective of your interests. Today, OccupyWallStreet decided to march across the Brooklyn Bridge (a proud New York tradition) to Chase Manhattan Plaza in Brooklyn. Reports in the media indicate that the police at first seemed to be encouraging the protestors not only to cross the bridge, but were walking in front of the crowd, seemingly escorting them across. Over 700 of the marchers were arrested, and the media has a rather amusing “he said, she said” account, with OccupyWallStreet claiming entrapment and the cops batting their baby blues and trying to look innocent.

We simply don’t know whether the police would have behaved one iota differently in the absence of the JP Morgan donation. But it raises the troubling perspective that they might have.
Post Fri Nov 18, 2011 12:16 pm
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Shepard Fairey created this pro Occupy image




This image represents my support for the Occupy movement, a grassroots movement spawned to stand up against corruption, imbalance of power, and failure of our democracy to represent and help average Americans. On the other hand, as flawed as the system is, I see Obama as a potential ally of the Occupy movement if the energy of the movement is perceived as constructive, not destructive. I still see Obama as the closest thing to “a man on the inside” that we have presently. Obviously, just voting is not enough. We need to use all of our tools to help us achieve our goals and ideals. However, I think idealism and realism need to exist hand in hand. Change is not about one election, one rally, one leader, it is about a constant dedication to progress and a constant push in the right direction. Let’s be the people doing the right thing as outsiders and simultaneously push the insiders to do the right thing for the people. I’m still trying to work out copyright issues I may face with this image, but feel free to share it and stay tuned…
-Shepard Fairey
Post Fri Nov 18, 2011 4:33 pm
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watch the first minute of this youtube video and then skip to about 5:50 (with speakers, but careful -- it's loud group chanting). this footage is from today at UC Davis. after an officer unleashes a 20 second stream of pepper spray into the faces of a dozen seated, non-resisting students, the crowd chases him and his squad of about a dozen officers (some of whom are carrying paintball style pepper or pellet guns) with a "shame on you" chant. literally....chase them out of the park with their words. at the 5:50 mark, you'll see the protesters stop and announce to the police that they will "give them a moment of peace to gather themselves, lower their weapons and leave the park". after a moment's discussion, the officers choose to do so.

i found it amazingly powerful. words! and also...some of the cops look seriously freaked out, so that's good to see for once.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmJmmnMkuEM&feature=youtu.be

http://boingboing.net/2011/11/18/police-pepper-spraying-arrest.html

http://www.kcra.com/news/29809851/detail.html
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xX gideon Xx wrote:
watch the first minute of this youtube video and then skip to about 5:50 (with speakers, but careful -- it's loud group chanting). this footage is from today at UC Davis. after an officer unleashes a 20 second stream of pepper spray into the faces of a dozen seated, non-resisting students, the crowd chases him and his squad of about a dozen officers (some of whom are carrying paintball style pepper or pellet guns) with a "shame on you" chant. literally....chase them out of the park with their words. at the 5:50 mark, you'll see the protesters stop and announce to the police that they will "give them a moment of peace to gather themselves, lower their weapons and leave the park". after a moment's discussion, the officers choose to do so.

i found it amazingly powerful. words! and also...some of the cops look seriously freaked out, so that's good to see for once.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmJmmnMkuEM&feature=youtu.be

http://boingboing.net/2011/11/18/police-pepper-spraying-arrest.html

http://www.kcra.com/news/29809851/detail.html


Surreal shit right there. Well-handled by the crowd, I can't believe NONE of them got violent.
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Another Goddamn Batman movie!!

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I was just about to post that UC Davis video. You should read some of the quotes from people in charge of the university...

""The police tried to use the least force that they could." "The officers were trapped!" etc.

The officer's name is Lt. John Pike, by the way.

I wish I had more than $7 to my name so i could go to NYC :(
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