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I could be way off on this

I think you are dude. As far as whether she "pushed his buttons," we'll never know, but your way off on suggesting that that has any relevance to what he did, or that she may be responsible for his actions.
Post Wed Jul 14, 2010 7:23 pm
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We don't know what she did and its easy for her to come off smelling like a rose when she knows she's on tape. Obviously she did something to piss him off and that is what the tapes do not make clear. I've been in arguements where the other person (a female) said some spiteful shit and pushed buttons. Then, after a flicker of anger, I retort back strong in the arguement and she switches gears and starts acting like I'm out of my mind and tries to act overly nice to further fan the flames (especially in a group setting). Nothing ruins credibility to a third party like an emotional person ranting to a seemingly calm rational person. I could be way off on this, but from a logical standpoint, I can't see that this women is just calm and sweet and Mel is just a lunatic. She done pushed some buttons and then secretly recorded and leaked that shit to really fuck em over.
The above demonstrates a pretty airtight screening process that can be used to keep psychotic, woman-hating sociopaths out of the mainstream of society.

Just present them with the Mel Gibson recordings, and if their brain immediately concocts some wild scenario where she was secretly asking for it, you put a check next to their name on the list, and then I guess you smother them in their bed later or something, for the good of all.
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Dude is loco, but perhaps emotional and drunk.

We don't know what she did and its easy for her to come off smelling like a rose when she knows she's on tape. Obviously she did something to piss him off and that is what the tapes do not make clear. I've been in arguements where the other person (a female) said some spiteful shit and pushed buttons. Then, after a flicker of anger, I retort back strong in the arguement and she switches gears and starts acting like I'm out of my mind and tries to act overly nice to further fan the flames (especially in a group setting). Nothing ruins credibility to a third party like an emotional person ranting to a seemingly calm rational person. I could be way off on this, but from a logical standpoint, I can't see that this women is just calm and sweet and Mel is just a lunatic. She done pushed some buttons and then secretly recorded and leaked that shit to really fuck em over.


Fuck you, dude.

He hit her. He yelled a bunch of non sequitur racist shit. He threatened to kill her. He yelled at her for not giving him a blowjob before going to sleep.

Why are you making excuses for this? Because you are a terrible person too?


I am a terrible person.

That aside, I could be wrong I didn't hear where he actually said he hit her. He repeated it in a mocking tone. No excuse for hitting a woman ever, but I'm just not buying that she's 100% innocent. How did she "accidentally" leak the audio? If you can't see that she is a manipulator, you are crazy.

I will say, no matter how drunk or mad I've gotten I couldnt come close to saying any of this shit. More than anger at him, I really just feel sorry for him that he has that much rage buried inside.
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AdamBomb wrote:
We don't know what she did and its easy for her to come off smelling like a rose when she knows she's on tape. Obviously she did something to piss him off and that is what the tapes do not make clear. I've been in arguements where the other person (a female) said some spiteful shit and pushed buttons. Then, after a flicker of anger, I retort back strong in the arguement and she switches gears and starts acting like I'm out of my mind and tries to act overly nice to further fan the flames (especially in a group setting). Nothing ruins credibility to a third party like an emotional person ranting to a seemingly calm rational person. I could be way off on this, but from a logical standpoint, I can't see that this women is just calm and sweet and Mel is just a lunatic. She done pushed some buttons and then secretly recorded and leaked that shit to really fuck em over.
The above demonstrates a pretty airtight screening process that can be used to keep psychotic, woman-hating sociopaths out of the mainstream of society.

Just present them with the Mel Gibson recordings, and if their brain immediately concocts some wild scenario where she was secretly asking for it, you put a check next to their name on the list, and then I guess you smother them in their bed later or something, for the good of all.


Ok, take recordings by someone who recorded someone else when they knew they were being recorded. Then take the context of the recordings themselves and complete the scenario of exactly what happened in that house. Then have them put their entire faith in that judgement.

I'm not the one who is drawing conclusions. I'm merely saying to question things a little harder. I hope you never get selected for jury duty.
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Oksana doesn't really generate a wealth of sympathy in those recordings. Whether she deserves the sympathy or not is something we can only judge based on Mel's ranting. She's cool, detached, and purposeful. I can understand how some people would want to shift blame onto her, listening to the recordings feels like a setup. At certain points she baits him and leads him.

What the listener wants from her is to hear some hurt in her voice. We hear tons of emotion from him, but she's practically a robot. So it's easy to come away thinking that he really did care and she's just cold-hearted.

That's not what you should take away from it, though. Obviously this was calculated by her, but the conversations don't sound like they're compelled by her. He's calling her without initial baiting. He's screaming stupid shit that should make a sane person question their morals. Even without the baiting and leading he's admitting to horrendous amounts of psychological abuse and making enough threats to be charged with domestic violence.

You don't have to sympathize with Oksana to know that Mel is the less stable of the two and is clearly at fault.
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It's the illumaniti they have been trying to destroy Mel ever since he made The Passion of the Christ.




Mel must be a member of the Illuminati if your theory is correct. Cuz he's bringin' himself down...your theory only seeks to validate his anti-semitism without realising it at that.


He could be illuminati but I think he is more their pawn. What do they do with someone when they are done with them ???



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the Illuminati own Hollywood and the film industry. They use it to promote their global/alien/violence-is-OK view of things. They use it to make lots of their porn output. They also use the actors for "service". I'll just mention Monroe and Mansfield.

Poor Mel, he couldn't get anyone to distribute his film. For months, all we heard was how much trouble he was going to have getting on the screen. Or was that just a carefully orchestrated ad campaign? It opened in 2000 theaters in just the USA. He must have paid as much in bribes to theater owners as he spent making the film.


Sometimes you gotta dance with the devil but he will always get his dues.

Come on C.R.A.Z.Y..let me have some fun ;-)


well i'd love for you to have fun with conspiracies, but whenever people come hard on " the illuminati " and start referring to " them " and " they " i remember there are more interesting theories about stranger conspiracies and even more covert secrets about actual visible threats out there to unravel...

when trying to establish a theory of conspiracy there must be some sort of logic, some sort of indicator of means, motive, or opportunity, same as in the solving of a regular crime.

when most people start talking about " the illuminati " they are coming up with a general idea, fear based, filling in the blank spots with conjecture like mad libs, and then expect me to believe their made up tale to be true 100%.

yes theories can be fun to make but if you really are serious about a theory it has to be presented not just as wild conjecture. it has to connect on it's own not just by force of imagination. anyways, if people want to talk about the illuminati they should come harder.

my theory on mel gibson is that he's an asshole. i see evidence that mel gibson is an asshole. my theory is that he's just a spoiled actor with emotional problems and a rich life of isms of all types...

then again i cant tell if you're serious that you think mel gibson is being persecuted by the illuminati. you seemed sold on rhianna though, so i figure you are serious.

yeah some people got mad mel made that movie. let's not give them that much credit or that much power. mel has to learn to be responsible for the consequences of his actions. if you just let him off the hook by saying that " they " are out to get him, and bring him down... he'll start believing it himself, then he'll never learn to behave.

ahhh...fuck it, you're probably right. the real mel gibson was kidnapped and disposed of long ago only to be replaced by a crazed replicator. and for my flagrant statements, while i was away, i was also replaced by a replicator. now we are really cooking. you know, that's what " they " do when they are done with you. replicate and replace you!
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They finally released the "blow me first" tape. It's a whole "what the fuck" all the way through. Dude has serious, serious problems, his career is the least of them for now. These tapes aren't fun to listen to at all.
the answer is obvious so i wont say it.


It's not obvious to me, as I don't even know what the question is.


refering to your last sentence, if it's not fun don't listen to them.
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I like you Adam, but you are waaaaay off here.

redball wrote:
Oksana doesn't really generate a wealth of sympathy in those recordings. Whether she deserves the sympathy or not is something we can only judge based on Mel's ranting. She's cool, detached, and purposeful. I can understand how some people would want to shift blame onto her, listening to the recordings feels like a setup. At certain points she baits him and leads him.

What the listener wants from her is to hear some hurt in her voice. We hear tons of emotion from him, but she's practically a robot. So it's easy to come away thinking that he really did care and she's just cold-hearted.

Anyone that deals with domestic violence victims will tell you that her "coldness" or being a "robot" or whatever else I've read in this thread are perfectly normal in a situation like this.

Sure, the general public would like every DV victim to, well, "act like a victim." But many people living with the horror of DV develop defense mechanisms. That's how they deal with that shit every day. Someone acting like this is very fucking common. The fact that you (or anyone else) doesn't think she is sympathetic enough does not have anything to do with whether or not she is a victim here.

I'm really tired of hearing things like this. The level of understanding of DV in this society is piss poor.
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the mean wrote:
I like you Adam, but you are waaaaay off here.

redball wrote:
Oksana doesn't really generate a wealth of sympathy in those recordings. Whether she deserves the sympathy or not is something we can only judge based on Mel's ranting. She's cool, detached, and purposeful. I can understand how some people would want to shift blame onto her, listening to the recordings feels like a setup. At certain points she baits him and leads him.

What the listener wants from her is to hear some hurt in her voice. We hear tons of emotion from him, but she's practically a robot. So it's easy to come away thinking that he really did care and she's just cold-hearted.

Anyone that deals with domestic violence victims will tell you that her "coldness" or being a "robot" or whatever else I've read in this thread are perfectly normal in a situation like this.

Sure, the general public would like every DV victim to, well, "act like a victim." But many people living with the horror of DV develop defense mechanisms. That's how they deal with that shit every day. Someone acting like this is very fucking common. The fact that you (or anyone else) doesn't think she is sympathetic enough does not have anything to do with whether or not she is a victim here.

I'm really tired of hearing things like this. The level of understanding of DV in this society is piss poor.


I agree with Scott here. *Isn't redball's name Dan, though?

I shuddered a little when I read that about the her not being sympathetic. That said, there's part of this whole thing that's kinda "if you lie down with dogs..." We knew Mel Gibson was scum twenty years ago and he sealed the deal six or seven years ago. Anyone entering a relationship with him is, to some degree, volunteering for the draft. Does that mean they aren't sympathetic? Of course not. Should it even matter? I dunno, maybe a little bit.
But I don't think there was anything at all wrong with her phone communication or the "robotic" nature of it.
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the mean wrote:
I like you Adam, but you are waaaaay off here.

redball wrote:
Oksana doesn't really generate a wealth of sympathy in those recordings. Whether she deserves the sympathy or not is something we can only judge based on Mel's ranting. She's cool, detached, and purposeful. I can understand how some people would want to shift blame onto her, listening to the recordings feels like a setup. At certain points she baits him and leads him.

What the listener wants from her is to hear some hurt in her voice. We hear tons of emotion from him, but she's practically a robot. So it's easy to come away thinking that he really did care and she's just cold-hearted.

Anyone that deals with domestic violence victims will tell you that her "coldness" or being a "robot" or whatever else I've read in this thread are perfectly normal in a situation like this.

Sure, the general public would like every DV victim to, well, "act like a victim." But many people living with the horror of DV develop defense mechanisms. That's how they deal with that shit every day. Someone acting like this is very fucking common. The fact that you (or anyone else) doesn't think she is sympathetic enough does not have anything to do with whether or not she is a victim here.

I'm really tired of hearing things like this. The level of understanding of DV in this society is piss poor.


Thanks, mean.

All I can say is that she knowingly taped him without his knowledge. Everything she said or how she responded was with the knowledge that she herself was being recorded. Who loses their cool when they know they are being recorded? I do not support physical or mental abuse and do have compassion for her if it is indeed the case. I just don't think the tapes are adequate to clearly lay out what the situation is. Through the tapes, he frequently calls her a gold digger, and I think it is pretty clear that these tapes can be used for leverage in a civil suit or custody case. I think there is substantial value in the tapes, but I don't think they hold up as standalone evidence. One thing is for sure...Mel needs to put the bottle down and go seek help.
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I'm not in a very articulate mood but here's some input:

you can't blame her for not acting like a victim because there's more going on in an abusive relationship than assault. I think there's a symbiotic edge to it where the woman gets mindfucked into believing it's something she should let him do because she loves him. you can't demand someone to respond the way you think they should when they're utterly confused.

maybe the real force holding the relationship together is that she likes money and mel likes having a target to rage at, but at the end of the day I could give a fuck about their lives: what matters about this celebrity shit is any dialogue it sparks about real world relationships. I think mel and oksana will be just fine, at least.
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I think he was responding to AdamBomb, not trying to use my real name - which you remember correctly, Icarus.

I'm not saying I don't understand. I'm saying that I understand why other people don't understand and feel the urge to vilify Oksana. The latter part of my post was meant to clarify that, though I may have failed.
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AdamBomb wrote:
All I can say is that she knowingly taped him without his knowledge. Everything she said or how she responded was with the knowledge that she herself was being recorded. Who loses their cool when they know they are being recorded? I do not support physical or mental abuse and do have compassion for her if it is indeed the case. I just don't think the tapes are adequate to clearly lay out what the situation is. Through the tapes, he frequently calls her a gold digger, and I think it is pretty clear that these tapes can be used for leverage in a civil suit or custody case. I think there is substantial value in the tapes, but I don't think they hold up as standalone evidence. One thing is for sure...Mel needs to put the bottle down and go seek help.

First off, most DV occurs without any evidence other than the testimony of the victim, which makes it very, very hard to prove. the fact that she taped him admitting it was great. I don't care if it was a "setup" or whatever. He (1) admitted to hitting her; and (2) acted in a manner consistent with someone who would hit her. Both these things are valuable pieces of evidence. I'm not sure what you mean by "standalone evidence" but whoever told her to make these tapes was pretty smart.

Also, I don't care if she is a "golddigger." People get into relationships for different reasons. Some people want money, some people want a hot body, some people want a compassionate individual. So what if she is a "golddigger" or not? It has no bearing on anything whatsoever that is at issue here.

I hope she sticks it to him in court and takes as much as she can.
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First off, most DV occurs without any evidence other than the testimony of the victim, which makes it very, very hard to prove. the fact that she taped him admitting it was great. I don't care if it was a "setup" or whatever. He (1) admitted to hitting her; and (2) acted in a manner consistent with someone who would hit her. Both these things are valuable pieces of evidence. I'm not sure what you mean by "standalone evidence" but whoever told her to make these tapes was pretty smart.

Also, I don't care if she is a "golddigger." People get into relationships for different reasons. Some people want money, some people want a hot body, some people want a compassionate individual. So what if she is a "golddigger" or not? It has no bearing on anything whatsoever that is at issue here.

I hope she sticks it to him in court and takes as much as she can.


this.
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you can't blame her for not acting like a victim because there's more going on in an abusive relationship than assault. I think there's a symbiotic edge to it where the woman gets mindfucked into believing it's something she should let him do because she's afraid he'll kill her


there. fixed.
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