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icarus502
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This "primal" bullshit has to go. As if monogamy is the mark of the evolved, if you must say so yourself.

No. Monogamy is a regime of jealousy and mystical sexual taboos. It's immature. Try loving without owning. Or intimacy without scarcity. Or stopping looking at sex as a synecdoche for the wider networks of intimacy that form a strong relationship
Post Mon Mar 22, 2010 9:46 am
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Also, far more interesting than thinking about Sandra Bullock as "disgraced" woman because her husband fucked someone else, is thinking about Sandra Bullock as clearly not who we think of when we think "Sandra Bullock." I mean, really. Her husband was married to Janine Lindenmulder before her. He's really, uncomfortably close to neo-nazis and has been rumored for years to be a racist. What does that say about Sandra Bullock? Moreover, what does it say about the mouthbreathers who think of her as the nation's sweetheart? It seems pretty clear that, at the very least, Sandra Bullock is kinda trashy.
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Why do you hate Sandra Bullock?!
Post Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:06 am
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Mark in Minnesota wrote:
I don't have a lot to say on the actual subject of the thread, either in defense of men or in support of the criticism. But I keep coming back here and staring at it, trying to figure out why people are emotionally affected by reports of celebrity infidelity.



I think it's something of a nexus of how much entertainment is used to escape our miserable lives, combined with the old "dream factory" marketing that makes celebs seem like people who we have ownership in. In some ways, celebs are each their own singular reality TV show that pop culture views sort of from stardom to death.

It says a lot about how these people and their art are marketed to us.

Maybe it's that these days art has become so subjectively personal that the people interacting with our art we sort of view through a very close lens. They're sort of both priests and the most popular kid at school rolled into one.
Post Mon Mar 22, 2010 10:11 am
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icarus502
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futuristxen wrote:
Why do you hate Sandra Bullock?!


Because she's a crappy actress whose made many millions off the unfounded perception that she's a fundamentally good person? I mean, the whole America's Sweetheart thing comes from her being less attractive, vaguely smart, and kinda folksy. She's a perfect 7. I've never understood why that would even be something that people would like. And she sucks. And she's married to a guy who, at the very least, fucks Nazi girls. I mean, I think this whole thing will expose Sandra Bullock as being kinda ugly. Or at least nobody's sweetheart.
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There are 2 people in this world; those who are Sandra Bullock and those who are male whores.

That's it.
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futuristxen wrote:
Why do you hate Sandra Bullock?!

Because she is generally unwatchable as an actress.
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And she's married to a guy who, at the very least, fucks Nazi girls.

I'm intrigued. Link?
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I didn't know how this board is home to so many biology experts.
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the mean wrote:
icarus502 wrote:
And she's married to a guy who, at the very least, fucks Nazi girls.

I'm intrigued. Link?




http://gawker.com/5498092/sandra-bullocks-husbands-neo+nazi-friends


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Michelle 'Bombshell' McGee denies being a white supremacist: Her sexy Nazi photo shoot was for fetishists, she says, and the W P tattooed on the backs of her thighs (click image to enlarge) stands not for "white power" but the revolting-in-a-different-way "wet pussy." She says, "Jesse and I had a conversation about it and he says a lot of his friends have the tattoo." (Is that an inside joke? That statement could use context, including an updated assessment on McGee's believability. She has said she's Amish as well as a third-generation French Canadian. Is that even possible?) Suing for custody of their children, her ex-husband said she had "child block magnets on the refrigerator that spell out 'White Power'," and that her older son from a different relationship "is Jewish and she think it's funny that she makes the Nazi salute." UPDATE: McGee lists Mein Kampf as a "Favorite Book" on her Facebook page. This lady is totally a Nazi.
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Wait a second...Janine, the pornstar, is on some Nazi shit? For real?
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Wait a second...Janine, the pornstar, is on some Nazi shit? For real?


That's not Janine! That's the new woman he cheated on Sandra with. But Janine has supposedly been shacked up with a nazi skin, though, since she got out of prison. She's a mess. But it's crazy that her ex-husband is married to Sandra Bullock!
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This was the topic of conversation this weekend among friends male and female. What one of the guys said was "it isn't just one persons fault, it takes two to get to that point". I would agree with that, someone is not feeling fulfilled physically or emotionally. As much as I would hate being cheated on physically, I would be more devastated if he shared an emotional intimacy with another woman. So I ask again the original question. What do men want? What would keep them from looking outside the relationship? Are men not responsible also for keeping the fire burning hot an heavy at home?

And if it's true that men are wired for this kind of thing is it even reasonable to expect fidelity from a man? Sorry this excuse is a cop out like saying men have no restraint over their on actions. Not buying it!!!
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futuristxen wrote:
I think it's something of a nexus of how much entertainment is used to escape our miserable lives, combined with the old "dream factory" marketing that makes celebs seem like people who we have ownership in. In some ways, celebs are each their own singular reality TV show that pop culture views sort of from stardom to death.

It says a lot about how these people and their art are marketed to us.

Maybe it's that these days art has become so subjectively personal that the people interacting with our art we sort of view through a very close lens. They're sort of both priests and the most popular kid at school rolled into one.


And yet people just kind of roll their eyes and joke about the comically short celebrity marriages, the high rates of divorce, the obvious power couples, and Angelina Jolie's repeated experiences with international adoption. Hollywood is treated as some kind of otherworld where nobody is serious and everything is intellectually, morally, and artistically bankrupt, but suddenly Sandra Bullock and the dude from West Coast Choppers are seen as one of the great loves in the world, tragic and starcrossed? O but for the fickle--and, worse, inconsiderate--nature of men!

I'm sure there are some guys who cheat because they can, and it's hard to say how anybody I know in real life would behave when confronted with power, money, and fame. That said, every infidelity I've seen up close has been a product of complicated dynamics specific to that relationship. I can't draw a straight line from any of it to anyone else, and my assumption with most of these celebrity scandals is that the only reason they look clear-cut is because I'm not living inside one of them.


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What do YOU want? And why do you want it?

Do you think that intimacy is best, is more fulfilling, is more intimate, if it's scarce? Why do you think that? Why would you be shattered if "he" shared emotional intimacy with another woman? Hopefully he already shares emotional intimacy with another woman or many of them (if they're not rubbing genitals). Is it really that you want to be the singular source of emotional intimacy? Your love sounds like Kathy Bates's love for James Caan!
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