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xGasPricesx



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Sage Francis wrote:
ecapataz wrote:


People who cheat on their partners are at the bottom of this pyramid.


That super official pyramid has "respect of others" listed twice in the esteem section.


Not that I'm defending the pyramid here, but to be clear, it does say "respect of others" and "respect by others".
Post Tue Aug 02, 2011 8:30 pm
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ecapataz wrote:
It comes from here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs

I don't see the polyamorous at the top because intimacy is mitigated without exclusivity.


That's the doctrine of scarcity. That's the capitalists talking. Truncated pyramid mfs.
Post Wed Aug 03, 2011 7:27 am
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icarus502 wrote:
ecapataz wrote:
It comes from here.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs

I don't see the polyamorous at the top because intimacy is mitigated without exclusivity.


That's the doctrine of scarcity. That's the capitalists talking. Truncated pyramid mfs.


I've never heard scarcity appropriated in the way you are. Can you provide some material so I can read up on it?
Post Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:14 pm
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xGasPricesx,
Good catch. My eyes were playing some serious tricks on me. I swear I checked that shit at least 3 times before making my comment. I couldn't make sense of why it would say the same thing twice. Still in all, it's a suspect pyramid.
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This whole thread is suspect, tbqh.

Post Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:46 pm
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i really think excretion should be in the top of the pyramid.
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Prontoid wrote:
i really think excretion should be in the top of the pyramid.


You put sexual intimacy above excretion? I suppose some do like the poop play, but I digress...
Post Wed Aug 03, 2011 9:31 pm
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I just read a few posts at the start of this thread, and have limited internet access at the moment, so im probably 18 pages to late. But people saying men are hard wired to fuck all the time is stupid. Most men wire themselves to want to fuck all the time by visually consuming vast quantities of pornography. In all realism, id say most dudes would jack their package for 5-10 mins and they should be cool for a couple days.

The amount of time obsessing over sex and time not being able to function due to sexual repression, is severely one-sided. My apologies if this has been covered.

Your not addicted to sex, your addicted to sexual images... - forget what song i paraphrased that from, but it rings true.



Porn addicts.
Post Wed Aug 24, 2011 3:40 am
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You're almost there, DeadAwake. A porn addict is addicted to the feeling associated with pornographic images, not the images themselves, just as the crack addict is addicted to the feeling the crack gives and not the way the crack looks.

There's a lot of chemical things going on in the brain as well, the brain being a remarkably changeable thing itself. Whenever the brain performs a function repeatedly or receives stimulation from the same or similar thing repeatedly it undergoes a process called neuroplasticity, meaning that it essentially changes shape to accommodate pleasure receptors. This CAN be reversed, or at least diminished over time, but it's a slow and arduous process that makes "staying clean" difficult. Mind over matter is a curious statement in this case.

Furthermore, to say men are hardwired for sex is as fallacious as saying women aren't. Men might think about sex more, and they might focus more on the physical during sex, but that's not the same thing. I think it would be more accurate to say that men and women generally think about sex differently. And there are obviously different physical responses and reactions to sex as well. For example, a woman can orgasm multiple times in a single session, but a man (unless he's some tantric Sting-type), has one go and then hello refractory period. There's nothing wrong with a high sexual drive as long at it is healthy.
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ecapataz wrote:


People who cheat on their partners are at the bottom of this pyramid.


This pyramid is asinine. The world doesn't work around a multi-coloured pyramid that some professorial derchbag came up with.
Post Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:53 am
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Is that the first time you've seen it or something? That's Maslow's hierarchy of needs, it's like psychology 101 stuff.
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I think Captiv8 is addicted to porn addicts. Or images of them. Or the feeling associated with images of them. Yeah.
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remind wrote:
I think Captiv8 is addicted to porn addicts. Or images of them. Or the feeling associated with images of them. Yeah.


I don't want to jump to conclusions so I'll ask: have you ever dealt with a serious addict of any kind? I don't mean the "maybe this guy has a problem" kind, but the needle in the eye/abuse their own kids for drug money kind? Have you ever sat through a Alcoholics, Narcotics, or Sex Addicts Anonymous meeting and heard the fucking horror stories some of these people have? Have you wanted your chosen substance so bad you committed be willing to commit a crime for it? Have you ever had to tell your family you had a big problem you've been hiding for years and had to endure the shame and guilt? Have you had to endure the ridicule of your peers? I have and it still hurts almost four years later, and will probably continue to hurt to some degree for a long, long time. Addiction, recovery, and staying on the straight and narrow isn't a fucking joke.
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Stumbleweed wrote:
Is that the first time you've seen it or something? That's Maslow's hierarchy of needs, it's like psychology 101 stuff.


Seriously, I'm amazed at just the # of people in this thread that don't seem to know Mazlow's pyramid. Would be like if someone didn't know what an Ego was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-actualization
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ecapataz wrote:


People who cheat on their partners are at the bottom of this pyramid.


How do you figure? This conclusion assumes that the cheater is only acting out of sexual needs and precludes the possibility of anything else. Perhaps the person is cheating because they desire sexual intimacy but their partner does not provide it. Why don't they just end the relationship and enter into a different one? Because esteem and self-actualization come after sexual intimacy, and breaking up can be tricky and hard. Not every cheater is an asshole with nothing but sex on their mind.

Furthermore, to assume that the average person has stagnated at the beginning stages of human emotional development is absurd. Digression occurs, but stagnation is typically limited to mental illness or retardation. Two more things need to be said about the hierarchy pyramid: Maslow clearly separates the bottom layer as physiological while the four layers above are emotional, but that hardly means that there is a mutual exclusivity between the two. Sex can be emotionless, I think, but this is far from normative.

I'm not defending cheaters, but I think the cheater as most base is a gross oversimplification.


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