bigsole
Bought his character on ebay
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i do exactly what i want with my music. nothing more nothing less. this mixtape is living proof of it. this place isnt the only place i saw negative feedback on the chorus. i honestly just expected people to love it everywhere, i certainly do not want to aleinate the people im trying to appeal to on the track.
i wrote the verses first, and never wrote the chorus, it was essentially freestyled, i didnt really care about the chorus... i just tried to make it as much like the original as i could. when i said "my president is black and that dont mean jack" i thought... thats not exactly what i meant to say, but people will get it if they listen to the rest of the song. a lot of people were offended, but not at what i expected people to be offended about. and it wasnt just here, it was on a few other blogs and i didn't want a line like that to fuck up a very serious attempt to create dialogue and make a new kind of release. so i could have said... "fuck yall i know what i mean" but instead i chose to accept the criticism as a valid viewpoint. we elected a black president and i certainly dont want to diminish the historic nature of his election, last thing i wanted to do was have my song be a slap in the face to anyone... i am trying to confront racism on the song, not contribute to it.
no need to feed guilty k-o, this is just a conversation.
im also under no illusions that this will change most of my detractors' minds. some people just dislike sole, and thats understandable. however im not going to provide them the noose to lynch me with. the only valid criticism i've heard about this song, in my opinion was about the chorus. |
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Perspective
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
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Location: Finland to UK |
I prefer the sole version to the original one. I also took the chorus to mean that a man's skin color doesn't exempt him from criticism when he fucks up. That's all.
Granted, I'm not from the US so I don't have a first hand account of your race relations but they seem massively fucked up and deeply rooted in guilt spawned from years of race related oppression that still hasn't completely disappeared.
I recall a statistic that states that there are more black people in prisons in America than universities. Can anyone verify this? Land of the free, indeed. |
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Fri Nov 06, 2009 11:09 am |
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sparrow
Joined: 11 Aug 2009
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Location: stolen land, the place where spirits get eaten. |
yea and we have these other types of prisons called reservations, where you can find alot of deep rooted genocide. |
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Fri Nov 06, 2009 12:11 pm |
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seandaley
passive aggressifist
Joined: 13 Jan 2003
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bigsole wrote:
i do exactly what i want with my music. nothing more nothing less. this mixtape is living proof of it. this place isnt the only place i saw negative feedback on the chorus. i honestly just expected people to love it everywhere, i certainly do not want to aleinate the people im trying to appeal to on the track.
i wrote the verses first, and never wrote the chorus, it was essentially freestyled, i didnt really care about the chorus... i just tried to make it as much like the original as i could. when i said "my president is black and that dont mean jack" i thought... thats not exactly what i meant to say, but people will get it if they listen to the rest of the song. a lot of people were offended, but not at what i expected people to be offended about. and it wasnt just here, it was on a few other blogs and i didn't want a line like that to fuck up a very serious attempt to create dialogue and make a new kind of release. so i could have said... "fuck yall i know what i mean" but instead i chose to accept the criticism as a valid viewpoint. we elected a black president and i certainly dont want to diminish the historic nature of his election, last thing i wanted to do was have my song be a slap in the face to anyone... i am trying to confront racism on the song, not contribute to it.
no need to feed guilty k-o, this is just a conversation.
im also under no illusions that this will change most of my detractors' minds. some people just dislike sole, and thats understandable. however im not going to provide them the noose to lynch me with. the only valid criticism i've heard about this song, in my opinion was about the chorus.
this makes me wish we were close friends.
cheers. |
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Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:14 pm |
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Confidential
Joined: 23 Jan 2004
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Perspective wrote:
I recall a statistic that states that there are more black people in prisons in America than universities. Can anyone verify this? Land of the free, indeed.
I don't know about the total numbers of black folks in university vs. prison, but a more widely cited statsitic is the total perecentage in each intsitution. For example, here is the undergraduate profile of UCLA (note affirmative action was repealed in CA)
Student Characteristics, Fall 2008 More
TOTAL NUMBER OF STUDENTS
39,650
UNDERGRADUATE PROFILE
TOTAL ENROLLMENT 26,536
GENDER
Women 14,694 55%
Men 11,842 45%
RACE ETHNICITY
African American / Black 398 1%
American Indian / Alaskan Native 104 0%
Asian / Pacific Islander 10,126 38%
Hispanic 3,945 15%
White 9,006 34%
Domestic, Race/Ethnicity unknown 1,228 5%
International 1,189 4%
http://www.aim.ucla.edu/profile/main.asp
And here is a similar profile from the California department of Corrections
Characteristics
Males:
93.3%
Females:
6.7%
Parole Violators:
10.3%
Race:
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26.0% white
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29.1% black
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39.0% hispanic
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5.9% other
http://www.cdcr.ca.gov/Divisions_Boards/Adult_Operations/docs/Fourth_Quarter_2008_Facts_and_Figures.pdf
It probably varies from state to state but this is institutional racism. |
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Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:20 pm |
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MYOWNCLICHE
Joined: 25 Jan 2004
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Location: In side YOUR head |
bigsole wrote:
some people just dislike sole, .
And some of us love you. |
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Fri Nov 06, 2009 1:24 pm |
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remind
Joined: 22 Jun 2008
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seandaley wrote:
bigsole wrote:
i do exactly what i want with my music. nothing more nothing less. this mixtape is living proof of it. this place isnt the only place i saw negative feedback on the chorus. i honestly just expected people to love it everywhere, i certainly do not want to aleinate the people im trying to appeal to on the track.
i wrote the verses first, and never wrote the chorus, it was essentially freestyled, i didnt really care about the chorus... i just tried to make it as much like the original as i could. when i said "my president is black and that dont mean jack" i thought... thats not exactly what i meant to say, but people will get it if they listen to the rest of the song. a lot of people were offended, but not at what i expected people to be offended about. and it wasnt just here, it was on a few other blogs and i didn't want a line like that to fuck up a very serious attempt to create dialogue and make a new kind of release. so i could have said... "fuck yall i know what i mean" but instead i chose to accept the criticism as a valid viewpoint. we elected a black president and i certainly dont want to diminish the historic nature of his election, last thing i wanted to do was have my song be a slap in the face to anyone... i am trying to confront racism on the song, not contribute to it.
no need to feed guilty k-o, this is just a conversation.
im also under no illusions that this will change most of my detractors' minds. some people just dislike sole, and thats understandable. however im not going to provide them the noose to lynch me with. the only valid criticism i've heard about this song, in my opinion was about the chorus.
this makes me wish we were close friends.
cheers.
I wish the same. I know I'm not the only one who would love to hear more of Slug and Sole on the same track... |
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Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:03 pm |
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futuristxen
Joined: 01 Jul 2002
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remind wrote:
seandaley wrote:
bigsole wrote:
i do exactly what i want with my music. nothing more nothing less. this mixtape is living proof of it. this place isnt the only place i saw negative feedback on the chorus. i honestly just expected people to love it everywhere, i certainly do not want to aleinate the people im trying to appeal to on the track.
i wrote the verses first, and never wrote the chorus, it was essentially freestyled, i didnt really care about the chorus... i just tried to make it as much like the original as i could. when i said "my president is black and that dont mean jack" i thought... thats not exactly what i meant to say, but people will get it if they listen to the rest of the song. a lot of people were offended, but not at what i expected people to be offended about. and it wasnt just here, it was on a few other blogs and i didn't want a line like that to fuck up a very serious attempt to create dialogue and make a new kind of release. so i could have said... "fuck yall i know what i mean" but instead i chose to accept the criticism as a valid viewpoint. we elected a black president and i certainly dont want to diminish the historic nature of his election, last thing i wanted to do was have my song be a slap in the face to anyone... i am trying to confront racism on the song, not contribute to it.
no need to feed guilty k-o, this is just a conversation.
im also under no illusions that this will change most of my detractors' minds. some people just dislike sole, and thats understandable. however im not going to provide them the noose to lynch me with. the only valid criticism i've heard about this song, in my opinion was about the chorus.
this makes me wish we were close friends.
cheers.
I wish the same. I know I'm not the only one who would love to hear more of Slug and Sole on the same track...
Deep Puddle Dynamics was my fill, personally. I'd be more interested in hearing Slug work with Alias on an album called Snow: The Gothhoppera--Wintery Selections from Slug and Alias. And then the cover would be Slug and Alias in Christmasy sweaters sharing a glass of egg nog next to an open fire. And there would be a track with the chipmunks on it. And an Amy Grant sample. |
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Fri Nov 06, 2009 7:01 pm |
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seandaley
passive aggressifist
Joined: 13 Jan 2003
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futuristxen wrote:
Snow: The Gothhoppera--Wintery Selections from Slug and Alias. And then the cover would be Slug and Alias in Christmasy sweaters sharing a glass of egg nog next to an open fire. And there would be a track with the chipmunks on it. And an Amy Grant sample.
you don't have to convince me twice.
i'm in. |
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Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:14 pm |
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Travadone
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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Location: LI(f)E SUCKS (The Album) |
I refuse to listen to deep puddle dynamics because dose one fucked it up. |
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Fri Nov 06, 2009 10:48 pm |
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MYOWNCLICHE
Joined: 25 Jan 2004
Posts: 3765
Location: In side YOUR head |
remind wrote:
I wish the same. I know I'm not the only one who would love to hear more of Slug and Sole on the same track...
Savior one of my favorite songs ever. Deep Puddles is a classic. |
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:18 am |
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bigsole
Bought his character on ebay
Joined: 27 Aug 2002
Posts: 510
Location: the o |
seandaley wrote:
this makes me wish we were close friends.
cheers.
slug, when we started this voyage, we were allies.
there is no reason why we can't be allies again.
people don't change. but they can learn from experience. |
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 9:42 am |
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seandaley
passive aggressifist
Joined: 13 Jan 2003
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bigsole wrote:
slug, when we started this voyage, we were allies.
there is no reason why we can't be allies again.
people don't change. but they can learn from experience.
i don't know man, i've definitely changed.
it seems like every year i become more and more paranoid of people.
can anyone verify if it's an age thing?
save the weed jokes, i slowed waaay down. |
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Sat Nov 07, 2009 12:24 pm |
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icarus502
kung-pwn master
Joined: 01 Jul 2002
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Location: ann arbor |
You're a little bit older than me but I think I've become a lot more trusting as I've aged. My wife has encouraged me over the years to give more people the benefit of the doubt. And I think I do now. So I think you may be more paranoid for entirely different reasons. |
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