futuristxen
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whoa whoa whoa guys. He's half white too, okay. |
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Shinigami
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futuristxen wrote:
whoa whoa whoa guys. He's half white too, okay.
Sole? |
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futuristxen
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Shinigami wrote:
futuristxen wrote:
whoa whoa whoa guys. He's half white too, okay.
Sole?
Obama!!! |
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Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:17 am |
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mancabbage
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Shinigami wrote:
futuristxen wrote:
whoa whoa whoa guys. He's half white too, okay.
Sole?
yeah, the other half is ginger |
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Sat Oct 31, 2009 11:47 am |
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bigsole
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Reggie wrote:
Um, it is a parody. You took a popular song and changed the chorus around to something controversial while preserving the meter and rhythm of the original chorus. You even share a lot of the same words as the original chorus. To act dumbstruck by people's reactions in this thread is ludicrous. You can't be oblivious to the irony of two white guys saying that their president is black and it doesn't mean jack...and how this is also a great piece of evidence for white privilege. I mean, I thought this was one purposefully, to stir up controversy and get people to listen to the song/album. If not, if you really think there is an important message being obfuscated by the chorus...smh
sorry reggie, but you dont know what the fuck you are talking about.
its a hiphop mixtape, its not a parody, you do know what hip-hop is right? you should look up "detournment," a situationist tool for changing the meaning of something and giving it a new message. thats exactly what i had in mind with this shit, i cant wait till you hear "turn my swag on."
white guilt is some 90s shit.
and no im not a birther, that was a joke.
im not dumbstruck, im dissappointed with how boring/literal/kneejerk some people are.
if i was black, wearing a scarf, making the same music sole had, yall wouldn't say its a parody. so who is showing their white on white racism here? |
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Sat Oct 31, 2009 12:13 pm |
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Jared Paul
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IAmNiki wrote:
Okay. I JUST woke up, so maybe I'm just out of it and I can't make sense of this, but are you actually saying that you are a birther?? Like, Glenn Beck type of birther? Or do you have a real concern that Obama wasn't born in our country? Maybe I'm just not detecting the sarcasm in it, but it's unexpected to think you are a birther, if that's the case.
hahahhahahahahahah
Na ma, he was being a wise guy.
There's actually some bad ass Glenn Beck ass kicking going on in the song!
And big Up's to Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzalez!!
The lyrics are dope and address a lot of shit in a small amount of time; I think it was a fantastic economy of words and craft on Sole's part.
The song is definitely not a fuck Obama joint.
It's an appeal. |
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Sat Oct 31, 2009 2:55 pm |
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IAmNiki
Joined: 15 Aug 2005
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Jared Paul wrote:
IAmNiki wrote:
Okay. I JUST woke up, so maybe I'm just out of it and I can't make sense of this, but are you actually saying that you are a birther?? Like, Glenn Beck type of birther? Or do you have a real concern that Obama wasn't born in our country? Maybe I'm just not detecting the sarcasm in it, but it's unexpected to think you are a birther, if that's the case.
hahahhahahahahahah
Na ma, he was being a wise guy.
There's actually some bad ass Glenn Beck ass kicking going on in the song!
And big Up's to Amy Goodman and Juan Gonzalez!!
The lyrics are dope and address a lot of shit in a small amount of time; I think it was a fantastic economy of words and craft on Sole's part.
The song is definitely not a fuck Obama joint.
It's an appeal.
Okay, that's what I figured. I really didn't think it could be possible, knowing Sole's music, but I thought it was too weird not to question. |
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Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:10 pm |
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sparrow
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Reggie wrote:
bigsole wrote:
im gonna say... "my president is black, and thats cool and shit...
but i wont call you president till you show me your birth certificate...."
. gotta wait for my mother in law to leave so i can record it though!
and for the record, this is not a parody.
its less of a parody actually, then the version of "this land is my land" they sing in elementary schools. (... the socialist messages are taken out of the woodie guthrie version). in the mainstream world, everyone is reworking each others' tracks, kind of covering them, but adding their two cents and making it a new song. its in the folk tradition, a song is passed down, improved, changed, adapted to fit the times.... so why does it make it parody when i do it? is calling my shit a parody.... is that like... reverse-reverse-reverse racism? black hole racism? white dwarf racism? is it kneejerk-faux-libertarian-collegeboy-selfhate-backtalk? what is the meaning of life?
Um, it is a parody. You took a popular song and changed the chorus around to something controversial while preserving the meter and rhythm of the original chorus. You even share a lot of the same words as the original chorus. To act dumbstruck by people's reactions in this thread is ludicrous. You can't be oblivious to the irony of two white guys saying that their president is black and it doesn't mean jack...and how this is also a great piece of evidence for white privilege. I mean, I thought this was one purposefully, to stir up controversy and get people to listen to the song/album. If not, if you really think there is an important message being obfuscated by the chorus...smh
Obama Signs Record $680B War Bill, Extends Military Commissions
President Obama has signed into law the $680 billion National Defense Authorization Act, the largest military spending bill of its kind. The bill includes funding for the occupation of Iraq and Afghanistan and modifies the military commissions system at Guantanamo Bay. The changes include new restrictions on hearsay and coerced testimony, although without barring them completely. The law also increases prisoners’ access to evidence and witnesses. But civil liberties advocates say it still falls far short of adhering to international law and the Geneva Conventions. Children could still be tried as war criminals, and terror suspects—now known as “unprivileged enemy belligerents”—could be tried for offenses not traditionally considered “war crimes.” Jameel Jaffer of the American Civil Liberties Union said, “Closing the [Guantanamo Bay] prison will have little meaning if the administration leaves in place the policies that the prison has come to represent.” At the signing ceremony, Obama said the measure had trimmed excessive military spending.
President Obama: “I have always rejected the notion that we have to waste billions of dollars of taxpayer money to keep this nation secure. In fact, I think that wasting these dollars makes us less secure. And that’s why we have passed a defense bill that eliminates some of the waste and inefficiency in our defense process—reforms that will better protect our nation, better protect our troops, and save taxpayers tens of billions of dollars.”
Despite Obama’s praise, the bill included several military spending projects he had opposed, including $560 million for a new F-35 Joint Strike Fighter engine the Pentagon had rejected. Overall, the bill increases spending $24 billion from the last fiscal year. The bill also includes a law expanding the definition of hate crimes to cover those targeted because of their sexual orientation, granting new protections to lesbian, gay and transgender people under federal law. The measure was named after Matthew Shepard, the gay Wyoming university student who was brutally beaten, tied to a fence, and left to die in 1998.
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/10/29/headlines#3 |
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Sat Oct 31, 2009 3:24 pm |
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bigsole
Bought his character on ebay
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sparrow.... is that a parody of the news... ?
i mean, it can't be true, what you just wrote, because we voted for change. |
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Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:27 pm |
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Sage Francis
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Are you saying that no change has been made? I voted for change. I'm slightly impressed that some change has been made, and I expect more. I believe it will come. If I find myself being insulted by the lack of change then I will definitely speak on it. However, after 8 years of George W. Bush I've learned to have a bit of patience and see some things through. I'm following matters as best as I can without being obsessed with every move so if I'm in the wrong then I don't mind that being pointed out. |
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Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:28 pm |
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bigsole
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i hear ya on that...
from my perspective... the change has been in tone, not really in substance.
if we get an affordable public option and pull out of afghanistan in the next 4 years then i'll have been wrong and it won't be the last time. but i just dont see it happening. i understand these things take time, all of it, and i understand that he's a centrist who ran on vague slogans because people like me "wanted" to believe he was what he portrayed himself as. i dont think he has lived up to the person i voted in.
when the ship goes down, no one cares if the captain was pretty or well spoken.
here is a good example.
when obama called kanye a jackass it was ok.
when obama called the police officer that arrested that proffessor in his house a fool, he had to apologize to the racist cop. the fuckin president had to apologize to a racist cop. he should apologize to kanye, for apologizing to the cop. |
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Sat Oct 31, 2009 4:55 pm |
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sparrow
Joined: 11 Aug 2009
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hahaaaaa, yea you know it man. democracy now is just a parody. hah.
i dont think its ridiculous though, this discussion has been great except for the childish name calling but thats a given. i know im bored at the coffee shop with these stupid ideas that people have died for, for centuries, but i don't think the changes that we've seen are much in comparision to what has stayed the same. plus you dont work through the empire to stop the empire. it doesn't work that way. the structure is wrong therefore anything that comes through it will be tainted by it. does it really matter who the leader of The Empire is? its an empire that thrives on inequality, obama isnt going to do anything to change that, no one person will, i think. |
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Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:12 pm |
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bigsole
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http://www.democracynow.org/2009/10/15/slovenian_philosopher_slavoj_zizek_on_the
since we're on the farce news tip. i think everyone should be the zizek book, "first as tragedy then as farce"
JUAN GONZALEZ Well, I’d like to ask you, you say you are also critical of the progressive or the left response here. You say in your article in Harper’s, “There is a real possibility that the primary victim of the ongoing crisis will not be capitalism but the left itself, insofar as its inability to offer a viable global alternative was again made visible to everyone.” Could you elaborate?
SLAVOJ ŽIŽEK: I am a radical leftist. I like to call myself, in a very conditional way, a communist even. But I think one should, as a leftist, really concede the amount of the defeat of the left in the last twenty years. That’s the sine qua non condition of a possible review. So, yes, apart from very sympathetic things suggested by people like Stiglitz, Krugman, which are basically a return to Keynesian welfare state, and apart from some interesting—but I don’t think they are the solution—economic ideas, like the basic income or so-called renta básica in Brazil, basic rent, which is a utopia of its own, I think, I sometimes, apart from this, have a strange paranoiac idea that maybe this crisis was manufactured so that people will see that even if there is a crisis, the left really doesn’t have a global answer.
I see—what worries me is two things about the left. First, it’s more and more legalistic moralization. You know, it’s kind of a pure form of protest against injustice. Then the only thing you can do is legal forums and so on. In this sense, many of the ex-leftists are getting depoliticized. They no longer ask the truly basic questions. Like even now, all the outcry was, “Oh, those bank profiteers,” and so on. I totally agree with what we just heard. But don’t you think that the truth is a little bit more complex, in the sense of—you know much more about this than me, but the way I see it is that one of the roots of the present crisis is not just greed. It’s that after the digital bubble at the beginning of our millennium, the idea was how to keep prosperity, how to keep economy alive. And it was, as far as I remember, even a little bit of a really bipartisan decision: let’s make it easier in real estate, and so on, to keep it moving. So, you know, there is a structural problem beneath all this psychological topic of the greedy bankers, which is, that’s how capitalism works, my God, which is why even concerning our beloved model—Bernard Madoff, no?—I didn’t like it how they focused on him. Wait a minute. He was just the radical version of where the system is pushing you. Now, I’m not saying—I’m not crazy—“which is why we need to nationalize all banks and introduce immediately socialist dictatorship" or what. What I’m just saying is, let’s not get rid of the problem by too easily making it into a psychological problem. You know, you can be an evil guy, but there must be very precise institutional, economic, and so on, coordinates, background, which allows you to do what you do.
The second thing, I also didn’t like the cry shared by left and right-wing populists of “help the Main Street, not the Wall Street.” Well, sorry, but those bank managers who emphasized, in capitalism there is no Main Street without Wall Street. In today’s industry, because of the competition and immense investment into new inventions and so on, without large accessibility, availability of credits, there is no prosperous Main Street. So this is a false choice. So, again, with all respect for the left and so on, I think we should avoid quick moralization, if we mean it seriously.
AMY GOODMAN: You write, “Is the bailout then really a ‘socialist’ measure? If it is, it takes a peculiar form: a ‘socialist’ measure whose primary aim is to help not the poor but the rich, not those who borrow but those who lend.”
SLAVOJ ŽIŽEK: Yeah. I mean, this is my whole thesis, that capitalism always was socialism for those who are on the top. This is the basic paradox of it, no?
AMY GOODMAN: What about healthcare?
SLAVOJ ŽIŽEK: Oh, now you touch my favorite topic. You know why? Because I think that here we see, when people—when I write on ideology, and people laugh at me—“Haha, didn’t you know this? We live in post-ideological era.” No, here you see ideology in its material force. We can—we should distinguish here two levels. On the one hand are those ridiculous right-wing paranoias, which, incidentally, I like to listen. They amuse me, you know, like that Sarah Palin idea of death panels. Some mysterious bureaucracy will decide, does your uncle live or not. That’s funny, I hope; at least for the time being, we can laugh at it. But then— |
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Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:17 pm |
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MYOWNCLICHE
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The Obama Deception Part 1/12
Worth the watch...just saying
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Sat Oct 31, 2009 5:23 pm |
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Sage Francis
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sparrow wrote:
democracy now is just a parody. hah.
I don't think you're following what the parody thing is all about. Don't sweat that. It's not an insult to call a song a parody.
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