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cakes



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Charlie Foxtrot wrote:
cakes wrote:

have you read "The Ten Things You Can't Say in America"?
No, but Larry Elder? Really?
yea. i haven't read the whole thing, my boyfriend's dad has it, but it's always good to hear things from other perspectives.
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:52 am
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ROTTY



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Lants wrote:
Hah I know that now... but not before asking almost all of the good people of Muxia if they had any bubbles.
I am a drunken clown.


By the way, I'm heading to Paris and London over new years.. any London or Parisian peeps want to catch up?


New years night in central London is always an expensive headache. Will look whats happening and let you know. There is always a good party about.


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Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:56 am
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I find, at least in canada, that if a white dude has even a bit of scottish or irish in their history, that's what they identify with. It's so douchy. Dude, who's one 8th scottish wearing a kilt on a formal occasion. Ugh. This is how a lot white people find identity, by finding what white 'minorities' they have in their background and running with it. This is the appeal of Boondock Saints, etc..

I don't know why it seems to always be scotish or irish though. Not too many people seem to embarce their ukranian or dutch background the same 'look at me' way.
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:57 am
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You mean getting a gigantic shamrock on my chest and the Prussian eagle on my back isn't embracing my Irish-German heritage? Bollocks. And I drink beer. A lot of beer. Like with every meal. I didn't think it would be good in my frosted mini-wheats at first, but I've grown to love it. And the sausage, tons and tons of bulging, phallic sausage. It makes me feel so potent.

This so-called "white" culture existed at one time but I'd say it has largely become an amalgam of the cultures around it, or vice versa. Besides, culture is whatever you identify with, not what you think your skin tone dictates. I can't think of anything offhand that is distinctly "white".
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:01 am
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ROTTY wrote:
Lants wrote:
Hah I know that now... but not before asking almost all of the good people of Muxia if they had any bubbles.
I am a drunken clown.


By the way, I'm heading to Paris and London over new years.. any London or Parisian peeps want to catch up?


New years night in central London is always an expensive headache. Will look whats happening and let you know. There is always a good party about.


new years eve will be in Paris. I did it a couple of years ago and it was so much fun. London after though - say maybe 4th onwards? I'm not good at pre-planning but I'd like to meet you uk forumers.
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:05 am
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Captiv8 wrote:
I can't think of anything offhand that is distinctly "white".


Country music?
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:06 am
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Lants wrote:
ROTTY wrote:
Lants wrote:
Hah I know that now... but not before asking almost all of the good people of Muxia if they had any bubbles.
I am a drunken clown.


By the way, I'm heading to Paris and London over new years.. any London or Parisian peeps want to catch up?


New years night in central London is always an expensive headache. Will look whats happening and let you know. There is always a good party about.


new years eve will be in Paris. I did it a couple of years ago and it was so much fun. London after though - say maybe 4th onwards? I'm not good at pre-planning but I'd like to meet you uk forumers.


4th will keep in mind. I will speak to Mancabbage and Jesse custer. See if we can organise this. My recommendation would be south of the river but i think Mancabbage would say North of the river :0) anyways long time away. Remind any of us nearer the time and will be happy to have a couple of pairs of pints with you.
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:10 am
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Charlie Foxtrot wrote:
Captiv8 wrote:
I can't think of anything offhand that is distinctly "white".


Country music?


A blatant continuation (some say a ripoff) of the blues.
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:15 am
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Lants wrote:
ROTTY wrote:
Lants wrote:
Hah I know that now... but not before asking almost all of the good people of Muxia if they had any bubbles.
I am a drunken clown.


By the way, I'm heading to Paris and London over new years.. any London or Parisian peeps want to catch up?


New years night in central London is always an expensive headache. Will look whats happening and let you know. There is always a good party about.


new years eve will be in Paris. I did it a couple of years ago and it was so much fun. London after though - say maybe 4th onwards? I'm not good at pre-planning but I'd like to meet you uk forumers.


Hells yeh I'd be well up for that, provided I'm in England at the time - going to Germany and not sure on the dates at the mo. Let us know what your plans will be!
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Nahgied wrote:
wait... this thread was started by someone who is french canadian?


well im an american but have family up a few generations from there
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 10:40 am
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My father's ethnicity is Finnish; his grandparents were all socialists who emigrated from Finland after the "Reds" lost the civil war. Because so many of the Finns who came across after that war were socialists and communists, Finns in America had more trouble integrating than other Europeans who came across during that time period. They had trouble getting mining jobs in Northern Minnesota because it was assumed (often correctly) that they would lead attempts to unionize.

My father grew up mostly around other second- and third- generation ethnic Finns; their parents were for the most part ardent liberals and socialists, and many of them worked for co-ops.

Pretty much everyone on his side of my family celebrates St. Urho's Day; many of them are sauna enthusiasts; my father himself has gone to visit Finland and has learned a fair amount of the language. He's in touch with his ethnic heritage and has tried to pass it on to me.

With me, it hasn't really taken. I have a little bit of historical interest in Finland because of it, but I don't identify as part of the "Finno-American" culture the way my dad seems to. My mother's family is a mix of a lot of different ethnic groups; mostly English, Swedish, German, but a lot of random stuff in there too, even a little Native American. So I don't closely identify as part of my father's ethnic heritage, and my mother doesn't really have one.

I grew up in Minneapolis suburbs, doing about six years in the affluent Hopkins/Minnetonka school system and about six years in the somewhat poorer St. Louis Park school system. Those were reasonably distinct communities but I don't identify very closely with either one of them, which has made reconnecting with some of those people via Facebook a strange thing.

I'm also not churchgoing, so I don't self-identify as some American non-ethnic religious culture like "Catholic" or "Lutheran" the way some of my friends do; my mother's family, as I've written about here before, came out of an extremely conservative Methodist sect and identify culturally as American evangelicals. I'm not a part of that group either.

I do have some pride-of-place about living in Minnesota, even though I take a little shit from some of my Minneapolis friends for living in the suburbs. Even then, though, the only people I've ever really identified with were fellow participants in the 1990s-era Twin Cities Citadel BBS subculture, which isn't a particularly ethnic or religious group.

Which I think goes to the point others have made in this thread: as a white American with no recent immigrants in my ancestry, and as an American who has not joined into a religious group, I primarily see my cultural identity based on ways that I differ from my social norms, not based on the ways I conform to it.

But I'm basically sure that being white would feel like a lot more of a monoculture if I had been raised inside a dominating church tradition the way my mother was.
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mortalthoughts wrote:
for example im french(quebec) candian and german
i know nothing of either sides traditions what my family went through to get to the states who married who from where etc etc


Why not?
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:01 am
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cakes wrote:
i you lose the language, you're kinda out.


This is truth. Retaining the language is key to keeping the door open to the traditions of the culture that preceded you.
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ecapataz wrote:
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for example im french(quebec) candian and german
i know nothing of either sides traditions what my family went through to get to the states who married who from where etc etc


Why not?


i dont know it really just never interested me and i was never raised to take pride in where my family comes from
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