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ROTTY



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I have my Kilt. i am a member of the Johnstone Clan, a decendent of Robert the Bruce.

I cant help but be proud.
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:40 am
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Most white people came here, by choice. Even if they didn't like the conditions upon getting here (ie The Jungle type shit), they recognized they made the choice. Also, they were allowed to assimilate. Once the next generation was born, they didn't have the accents, and looked more or less like whites. A few generations later, you couldn't tell the difference. And anyone from Europe had more in common culturally than someone from Africa or Latin America or who was native to America.

Minorities on the other hand were usually brought over by force (slavery) or had their lands conquered (Mexico, Puerto Rico, etc.). Understandably, they didn't feel very American, and so kept their unique cultures, refusing to adopt those of general populous. The fact that they were often segregated by where they lived often due to income gaps caused by racism (or up until the 1950s literal segregation) only continued this trend. Even today the power structure is mostly white, and segregated living continues.

As for me personally, I'm half Irish three eights German a sixteenth Dutch and a sixteenth British. I think. How do you celebrate that? If I'm anything, I'm white. Meaning what? I don't know. The Germans brought beer and sausage to this country. But no one thinks of Germany when they drink beer or have breakfast. Because it's assimilated. All races drink beer and eat sausage. Hip hop on the other hand remains predominantly black.
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:07 am
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charlie, you're an american. i think the fact that you have to call yourself simply "white" instead of "american" says something, no?

i have a friend from ghana who calls herself an "african american from africa" because she feels the need to distinguish.


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Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:10 am
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cakes wrote:

i eat pierogi and say "kochanie" instead of "sweetie", but when it comes down to it, my grandfather was polish, but i'm an american.


Yeah, I think this is key. You feel like an American because you've never been pulled over by the police just for being you. But if you felt like large portions of the government and the American people were against you, you might not feel so included. Or, in the words of Talib Kweli, "Niggers ain't become American since 9/11"
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:10 am
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cakes wrote:
charlie, you're an american. i think the fact that you have to call yourself simply "white" instead of "american" says something, no?

i have a friend from ghana who calls herself an "african american from africa" because she feels the need to distinguish.


Huh? I don't call myself anything. I don't like labels much. But if I had to pick one, it'd be American. I feel like that's more concrete. I don't know why. I just really don't give a shit where my ancestors were from. I don't have a culture, an I like it that way. If one group has music I like, if another group has food I like, then I can listen to that music and eat that food. I never liked beer very much, or potatoes. And Irish dancing is silly.
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:14 am
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i used to think this was the case. till i lived in europe. then i realized, im an american, just as much as im white. american culture is my culture.

if you lived in france, or germany, or sweden thats what you would relate to.

us whites weren't brought here on slave ships, but we still had america piled over us and forgot where we came from. cept for italians of course, but according to true romance they're not white.
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:16 am
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I have white skin I guess, but my parents are not 'white'.
Actually I have always wondered what is 'white'?? Can someone define it for me? I know that sounds like a stupid question, but I really have no idea of what white is supposed to be. I have at least 7 nationalities between my parents.
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:20 am
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Whilst it is easy to define your culture in relation to an Other, it's not the most progressive way of working out where your identity lies. Just sayin'.

edit: Jumped in before me Lants. 'White' is difficult to define as it is so broad. Like any form of racialised identity it is transient and shifting. It is definable in relation to other identities, and of itself. It also means different things to different people and different cultures. My perception of whiteness will be different to yours, as our ancestry and cultures have different bases.


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Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:20 am
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Charlie, i was refering to "If I'm anything, I'm white."

technically the only true "americans" aren't white. i think someone who is proud of their roots in any american city can call themselves that. neither you, charlie, nor i can say who feels what. i know people who have been working for citizenship and when they got it were super proud to say they were american, white or not.

i'm not gonna get into this race discussion because culture is just as much about country and religion than skin color anyway. i know a dude who is totally white but his entire family is middle eastern. it's actually very bizarre. but he relates to middle eastern culture just as much as his brothers. maybe he isn't treated the same when he's out in public, but that doesn't make him less of who he is.

have you read "The Ten Things You Can't Say in America"?
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cakes wrote:

have you read "The Ten Things You Can't Say in America"?


No, but Larry Elder? Really?
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:31 am
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Hey jstile, because you're an englishman I need to ask you - have you ever heard the phrase 'you having a bubble?'. Some English friends of mine taught me this in Spain and I'm overusing it inappropriately now.
You got any bubbles??
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:35 am
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wait... this thread was started by someone who is french canadian?
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:35 am
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Well if you are like me and have German, Norway, Welsh, and several other countries that I have relatives from then what are you supposed to do? I have a decent knowledge of my I guess you could say home countries, but it's hard to identify with just one.

Unlike people who are from Africa who can say hey I'm from Africa and can celebrate the culture as their own even though they aren't technically African more than I'm Norwegian.
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:42 am
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Lants wrote:
Hey jstile, because you're an englishman I need to ask you - have you ever heard the phrase 'you having a bubble?'. Some English friends of mine taught me this in Spain and I'm overusing it inappropriately now.
You got any bubbles??


Your having a laugh. Its Cockney rhyming as in your having a bubble bath laugh.
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 9:46 am
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Lants



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Hah I know that now... but not before asking almost all of the good people of Muxia if they had any bubbles.
I am a drunken clown.


By the way, I'm heading to Paris and London over new years.. any London or Parisian peeps want to catch up?


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