Sarcastro
Joined: 27 Sep 2002
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T-Wrex wrote:
adic wrote:
The problem is not as big as it's made out to be...
Death isn't a problem?
If death was the only problem the government would put restrictions on horsepower, which would easily save thousands more lives than all the anti drinking and driving measures we could ever come up with.
unfortunately a car that can do 180mph sells pretty well in countries where the top speed allowed is 65. |
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adic
Joined: 07 May 2009
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T-Wrex wrote:
adic wrote:
The problem is not as big as it's made out to be...
Death isn't a problem?
Your approach is like the Sarah Palin's approach to global warming.
Did you look at the numbers? They don't seem that high to me given the population and the amount of people being arrested and having their lives majorly fucked with
Cash rules everything around you |
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Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:00 pm |
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TurnpikeGates
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I hear you, adic. It gets rhetorically tricky when you're trying to compare deaths to arrests in such a way, because people like to be all zero tolerance and shit. But I think there is a middle-ground approach that recognizes we basically have to stop unnecessary and unfair deaths at all costs, while also avoiding unnecessary lockdown. Fucking people's lives over for mistakes (or even apathy/neglect/sociopathy) doesn't really help anyone.
I think DUI should remain a big priority for police (ya know, my reservations about the very existence of police aside), but on the other end of the conviction, we should be talking about rehabilitation. Forced rehabilitation works a) as a deterrent, b) as a positive solution, and hell, let's have the insurance companies fund it in inverse ratio to their decreasing payouts, so nobody can cry "too expensive!" And yes, what I'm proposing is that the person who was DUI does not have to pay for their own rehab...
Emphasizing the cost in time reduces the unequal cost relative to class. The big money penalty doesn't hurt rich folks who DUI, but having to show up to classes will. As of now, poor folks are getting slammed, and what are you gonna do when you lose your job/car/whatever due to huge fines? STOP drinking? |
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Sat Sep 05, 2009 2:13 pm |
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xGasPricesx
Joined: 23 May 2008
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I grew up with this kid, was neighbors with him for a little while, we used to play James Bond together when we were like 7. I hadn't really been in touch with him much in recent years, except for running into him at a random party every now and then but I won't ever be in touch with him again - http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/08/31/national/a122400D36.DTL
"A 21-year-old man who refused a ride and tussled with a cab driver who tried to stop him from driving was dead a few minutes later after rolling his sport utility vehicle.
Witnesses told police that Caleb Schmidt was drinking late Friday into Saturday morning at a north Phoenix bar. They say they pleaded with him not to get behind the wheel early Saturday morning.
Police say Schmidt even tussled with a cabbie who tried to block him.
As he drove off, witnesses say Schmidt immediately lost control.
The SUV did a 180-degree-turn, struck a concrete median and hit a tree.
The vehicle rolled onto Schmidt, who had fallen out of an open door. Schmidt died in the accident.
Schmidt's blood alcohol content could not be determined at the time."
Edit: Also, I should note that I think that his actions were totally reprehensible and stupid beyond belief. I still wish that he was in a alcohol class right now though and not in a coffin. |
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Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:04 pm |
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TurnpikeGates
Joined: 30 Jun 2003
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xGasPricesx wrote:
I grew up with this kid, was neighbors with him for a little while, we used to play James Bond together when we were like 7. I hadn't really been in touch with him much in recent years, except for running into him at a random party every now and then but I won't ever be in touch with him again - http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2009/08/31/national/a122400D36.DTL
"A 21-year-old man who refused a ride and tussled with a cab driver who tried to stop him from driving was dead a few minutes later after rolling his sport utility vehicle.
Witnesses told police that Caleb Schmidt was drinking late Friday into Saturday morning at a north Phoenix bar. They say they pleaded with him not to get behind the wheel early Saturday morning.
Police say Schmidt even tussled with a cabbie who tried to block him.
As he drove off, witnesses say Schmidt immediately lost control.
The SUV did a 180-degree-turn, struck a concrete median and hit a tree.
The vehicle rolled onto Schmidt, who had fallen out of an open door. Schmidt died in the accident.
Schmidt's blood alcohol content could not be determined at the time."
Edit: Also, I should note that I think that his actions were totally reprehensible and stupid beyond belief. I still wish that he was in a alcohol class right now though and not in a coffin.
Damn, all the people who tried to stop him... Makes me think of all the times I've let someone drive off drunk without even an argument...
My social inhibitions/face saving DEFINITELY precludes my doing the right thing in that situation. Shameful. |
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Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:36 pm |
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xGasPricesx
Joined: 23 May 2008
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TurnpikeGates wrote:
Damn, all the people who tried to stop him... Makes me think of all the times I've let someone drive off drunk without even an argument...
My social inhibitions/face saving DEFINITELY precludes my doing the right thing in that situation. Shameful.
No kidding, if anything this whole event was a harsh wake up call to how often I just let people, even good friends, drive drunk with little to no argument at all. I'm going to start changing that. |
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Sat Sep 05, 2009 4:21 pm |
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T-Wrex
p00ny tang
Joined: 30 Jun 2002
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Location: Detroit, Michigan |
adic wrote:
T-Wrex wrote:
adic wrote:
The problem is not as big as it's made out to be...
Death isn't a problem?
Your approach is like the Sarah Palin's approach to global warming.
Did you look at the numbers? They don't seem that high to me given the population and the amount of people being arrested and having their lives majorly fucked with
Cash rules everything around you
Does 15,000 deaths seem like.... a low number to you?
Body count of Bin Laden times five... per year.
And you think the people responsible don't deserve to have their lives fucked with?
Cash rules... but the fear of losing cash is a great crime deterrent. If the laws were more hillbilly friendly, there would be a lot more deaths. |
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Sat Sep 05, 2009 5:39 pm |
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xGREENxCLOVERx
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James David Short, whose life was described by his friends as "a unique, and beautiful song", passed away at the age of 24, while surrounded by his family on Sunday, August 30, 2009 in Akron General Medical Center following injuries sustained from a motorcycle accident on Wednesday, August 26.
Born March 18, 1985, in Aultman Hospital at Canton, James was the beloved son of Rodney L. and Debra "Reb" Lynn (Robinson) Short of New Philadelphia.
James was a young man of great charisma and fun-loving persona whom everyone enjoyed knowing. He was especially energized by working with children, inspiring them to succeed, having earned notoriety in professional rollerblade competitions around the country.
James graduated from New Philadelphia High School and has spent much of the last decade earning a PhD from the School of Life. Having also lived in California, Michigan, and Pennsylvania, James was looking forward to beginning his education at Kent State University's TusCampus having recently received a pell grant and eagerly awaiting his letter of acceptance.
During his high school years, he began his musical and rollerblading careers. He was a talented singer, songwriter, bass player, and guitar player sharing his musical abilities in a number of bands including One Thing, Autumn Remains, The Color 7, Brickyard Slaves, and The Paul Allens. He was also an accomplished solo acoustic artist.
James was a free spirit who enjoyed all that life had to offer. He was proud of the fact he had slept in the Rocky Mountains, on the beaches of California, and in the dessert. He traveled Route 66 to California one time, just because he thought it would be exciting to do. His professional rollerblading career gave him the opportunity to see most of the United States. He was internationally known for his standing record of the longest toe roll in the world, and other tricks which incorporated the toe roll.
He was supported by a number of sponsors during his rollerblading career. Currently, Remz (Skates), INRI Clothing, Jolly Jolly Heartbreakers, and Sic Apparel were his tour sponsors. He has also been backed by 9MM, Razors, Ground Control and Mix Theorem.
When not rollerblading or creating music, James was the life of the party working at Jesana's Pizza. There, he was an assistant manager and loved creating what he called "artistic, delicious master pieces". He has also worked for a variety of other companies including Radio Shack, Larry Karol CD's and More, Walmart, Q-dobas and Olga's Kitchen in Detroit, MI.
In addition to his parents, who will deeply miss James, he is survived by his maternal grandfather, Herb Robinson Jr. and his companion, Ingrid Parker of New Philadelphia; his aunts; Sandy Hartshorn and her family of Clyde, O. and Barbara (husband, Dan) Leishman of New Philadelphia, his uncle; Dave (wife, Patti) Robinson of Naperville, IL; numerous cousins; and a world of friends.
James was preceded in death by his maternal grandmother, Kathryn Robinson and his paternal grandparents, Chalmer and Mary Short.
Visitation will be held in the Linn-Hert-Geib Funeral Home & Crematory at New Philadelphia, 116 Second St. NE on Thursday, September 3, 2009 from 4 to 8 p.m.
A service celebrating James' life will be held in the funeral home's chapel on Friday beginning at 11 a.m. with Pastor Matt Roe officiating.
Special arrangements have been made to lead the funeral procession past James' second home, the New Philadelphia Skate Park, en route to Roxford Church Cemetery where inurnment will be conducted. Those wishing to ride a motorcycle in the procession are encouraged to do so and will be directed by Geib staff upon arrival at the funeral home.
In an interview given to BE-MAG / Rollerblading Magazine this past July, James responded to a reporter who asked Short about whether or not he would ever settle into one place. He Replied " I am not a stationary person. I live for right now. Its hard for a lot of people to fathom. I move a lot because I'm in need of new experiences. It truly is what makes the creative mind work." – James' philosophy on life was, "It's all good." He also believed, "I'm child and man, then child again. The boy never gets older."
Please direct memorial contributions in James' memory to any Dover-Phila Federal Credit Union where an account has been established. His parents are going to distribute the money donated to allow other children to achieve their dreams.
Because James gave life to others through Organ Donation, and because he leaves behind so many loving family, friends and fans, he'll be forever on the move in the Heavens above, riffing with the best, rolling with the rest, and waiting to welcome us Home.
That's my friend who died just over a week ago as the result of being hit by a drunk driver.
Blah blah, it's irresponsible and all that. Just stay put until you sober up, ya heard? |
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 12:07 pm |
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xGasPricesx
Joined: 23 May 2008
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Very sorry to hear that Clover, he sounded like a really good guy. |
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Mon Sep 07, 2009 5:13 pm |
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True School Session
Joined: 10 May 2006
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This thread is dumb...I'm surprised it's so long here. |
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Tue Sep 08, 2009 12:11 am |
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remind
Joined: 22 Jun 2008
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True School Session wrote:
This thread is dumb...I'm surprised it's so long here.
Yeah. Not only is the drinking and driving getting nipped in the bud but I'm also gonna make sure that none of my future threads surpass this one in insensitivity and dumb-ness. |
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Tue Sep 08, 2009 8:36 am |
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icarus502
kung-pwn master
Joined: 01 Jul 2002
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remind wrote:
True School Session wrote:
This thread is dumb...I'm surprised it's so long here.
Yeah. Not only is the drinking and driving getting nipped in the bud but I'm also gonna make sure that none of my future threads surpass this one in insensitivity and dumb-ness.
Then two goods have come out of this shit thread. |
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Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:22 am |
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Travadone
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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any of you that have gotten behind the wheel drunk need your ass beat.
no excuse for that shit. |
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Tue Sep 08, 2009 10:08 am |
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Confidential
Joined: 23 Jan 2004
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I was drinking heavily with my cousin at home. My parents came home and told us to GTFO. We left in his chevy silverado. I was the passenger, he was driving. He fell asleep a mile down the road, first veering to the right, then swerving to the left, hitting a telephone pole before crashing head first into a brick wall. I remember looking ahead and seeing a brick wall coming straight towards us. The german shepard sitting between us was ejected straight through the windsheild, never to be seen again. My cousin wasunconcious. Knowing that he had a few years in jail hanging over his head for other things, I woke him, pulled him out of the truck, and carried him through the orchard, calling my brother to pick us up. It so happened that my wallet was left at the scene of the crime. The cops came to the door of my parents house looking for me. My parents said that I was not there. The cops asked if they could come inside. My parents refused to let them in. I was held responsible by the DMV for the incident, and got points on my driving record. |
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Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:23 pm |
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Sarcastro
Joined: 27 Sep 2002
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wrong thread |
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Tue Sep 08, 2009 3:33 pm |
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