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Basilisk



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sequence wrote:
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I gotta ask: Why is this file labeled "04 lucifer"?

edit: ha, just realized the sample is repeating the name Lucifer. Nevermind then.

Thoroughly enjoying the track


No disrespect, but you need to listen to more rap music.


I do not care about rap.
Post Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:16 pm
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Bring that Beat Back



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I've listened to this track multiple times a day, every day since it was released. Can not get enough of it.
Post Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:32 pm
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so you gonna murder him dolan, or just write your little sissy poems?

all this music does is get white kids more pissed off at their dads.

i'm still salty about the title i once had.
Post Tue Jul 07, 2009 7:39 pm
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b. dolan
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HercOrama wrote:
so you gonna murder him dolan, or just write your little sissy poems?

all this music does is get white kids more pissed off at their dads.

i'm still salty about the title i once had.


what was the title?

i will visit his house one of these days... what i do there will depend upon the circumstances and my mindstate at the time, i guess... i wanted to give others
the chance to do the same. making CEOs famous is something i'm
always in favor of, and i believe hip hop is the right medium for that kind of thing.

go set a bukowski poem to a mediocre beat, sissy. ;)
Post Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:34 pm
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i can't get enough of the delay on the 'send him a love letter'.
Great Track! Lookin forward to the new stuff
Post Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:50 pm
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HercOrama
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b. dolan wrote:
HercOrama wrote:
so you gonna murder him dolan, or just write your little sissy poems?

all this music does is get white kids more pissed off at their dads.

i'm still salty about the title i once had.


what was the title?

i will visit his house one of these days... what i do there will depend upon the circumstances and my mindstate at the time, i guess... i wanted to give others
the chance to do the same. making CEOs famous is something i'm
always in favor of, and i believe hip hop is the right medium for that kind of thing.

go set a bukowski poem to a mediocre beat, sissy. ;)


'seems to have nothing good to say'

if automatic weapons and bloodshed are not part of your mindset at the time, i will have no respect for you. dude is just gonna pass you off as some freak, probably muslim and have his security escort you back to your cave.

oh and i'm going to be dropping a beat tape very soon. i already have the art. you will like it.

Post Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:51 pm
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beef beef beef beef!
Post Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:58 pm
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i liked HercOr's little mashup. however, i am too fond of any salty message board beef involving Dolan. they get me all hot and bothered.

what i should do is concentrate this sexual tension into a beam of justice with which to inflict upon Mr. Warren Anderson. rap made me do it. B. Dolan made me do it. knowmore!


EDIT: MikeHerc, that cover art is freakin' sweet - very TRAVESTY-esque.
Post Tue Jul 07, 2009 8:59 pm
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b. dolan
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hahaha... i do in fact like the art.

fingers crossed that the beats live up to it.

i don't think i gave you that title... but maybe...

oh well. karma is after all of us, i guess.
Post Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:16 pm
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Haha, yes. I'm glad you brought that up, Herc. In all seriousness, this is an issue of praxis, yeah? It's cool to write/listen to songs about these things, but it is certainly naive to think they have anything other than a trivial effect on actual events in the world. (I assume Mr. Dolan has considered this.) So, why does someone write a song like this? For the sake of art? To "raise awareness"? For fun? To express a point of view, a feeling? And why does someone listen to a song like this? So they can pump their fist in the air? Because it's fun to listen to? Because it supports their own ideological views? Because it complements their social identity?

If we are truly pragmatic, can art be anything other than entertainment, the content of which is irrelevant?
Post Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:26 pm
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i know more about why someone writes a song like this than why someone enjoys it, i guess...

i think art can have a pragmatic usefulness... and meant this track in that spirit. i literally think that it might be useful to put these addresses out there...

if i get into why, i guess i risk sounding a little crazy... but let it be enough to say i can imagine several different real life instances where people would want this information... and it's my sincere hope that by spreading this song around it finds its way into hands that want it.

also, check out papoose' "law library" mixtapes... that's another great example of pragmatic hip hop.

sure, white kids will hear this and it might play a part in their hot topic che guevera fantasy world... but who keahs. if we stop doing everything that white people ruin there will be nothing left, herc.

also, those kids are gonna grow up to be jaded hipsters, then homeless twitter addicts. leave them alone.
Post Tue Jul 07, 2009 9:47 pm
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Sage Francis
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If it doesn't result in concrete change as soon as someone hears the song then you are full of failz!
Post Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:01 pm
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Ask Tupac, Biggie, and the abortion doctor that Bill O'Reilly got killed, about sissy poems.

You put the right words in the right or wrong place in the right way, it changes the game.

Look at Michael Jackson. Dude's life was ruined when writers went after him and turned him from someone who cared about children's issues, into a creepy evil child molester. Turned the King of Pop into Jacko the Wacko. I know a lot of that has become dispelled now that he's dead, though it still lingers to the extent that at his own memorial people speaking in his favor (Sharpton) feel like they have to address it.

Once an writer puts you in a box, it can ruin your life.

The problem here is more than likely scale. But if RSVP became a meme, it would probably kill the dude.

Look at American Apparel. Just within our community, I think anytime you see the name, there's an association going on there. And a lot of that has to do with Dolan.

If writing didn't make people do things, then the entire field of advertising and marketing wouldn't even exist.
Post Tue Jul 07, 2009 10:41 pm
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Sage Francis
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Thank you. It's sad that someone has to explain that. Especially on this website.
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(I'm not sure if you guys are responding to Herc or me, but I guess I'll pick it up, anyway.)

Sage Francis wrote:
If it doesn't result in concrete change as soon as someone hears the song then you are full of failz!

I suppose my thesis is that if the objective of a song is to advance a political agenda, and it doesn't achieve that, then it clearly is a failure. I'll concede that maybe a song can snowball or nudge people a little further in the direction of acting to change things and, in time, contribute to change. However, again, if the objective is to create concrete change in the world, I'd argue that writing a song is a very ineffective way of achieving this goal.

Tupac and Biggie weren't kill by rap songs; they were victims of gang violence. George Tiller was killed by a mentally ill man who was probably goaded by the militant anti-abortion movement in the US of which Bill O'Reilly is merely a synecdoche. Michael Jackson was vilified by the entire media industry and harassed by squadrons of paparazzi. My argument is not that words do not have power, but that some words are much more powerful than others. And some actions are more powerful still.

If Dolan wants to have Warren Anderson killed, maybe a rap song is not such a bad way. Maybe he has some listeners that fit the Mark Chapman profile and they will kill Anderson in order to impress their favorite rapper. Now, if Dolan wants to prevent further events like the Bhopal disaster, he should probably stick to writing Knowmore articles. If an individual wants to advance a political agenda, they would almost surely have more success by running for office, becoming a community organizer, becoming a journalist, joining a union, starting a business, etc. than by writing songs.

[EDIT: Ah, shit. I meant John Hinckley Jr., not Mark Chapman.]


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