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Jascha



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Embryo wrote:
but it won't change.


Ever.


On the bright side, darfurean (-ese? -ian?) people are being put on trial now, without Sudan having ratified the ICC statute.
Post Wed May 06, 2009 11:28 pm
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shambhala



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bashir was not an easy target.

for the time being probably the most danger these people are in, would be if they took a flight to europe. which is significant. it's unlikely that dick cheney will be doing much international travel for a while. or bush for that matter.
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TurnpikeGates wrote:
Dan Shay wrote:


The hammer dropping is either gonna have to be the Supreme or International courts and I wouldn't hold my breath on the Supreme.

Otherwise a completely new Congress could do the job.

So yeah, international courts.


Yeah, it's easy to get wrapped up and forget how long the history of U.S. complicity in torture and murder goes back (not counting pre-emptive war). But, what do you think about international courts in terms of REAL effectiveness. Honestly, right now, the ICC seems like a potentially awesome institution whose limited real-world power relegates it to bullying easy targets, latching onto third-word dictators, etc. As it stands, they will never get George W. Bush (or hell, Henry Kissinger) in a courtroom, but WHY aren't there warrants out on these guys? I like the idea of universal jurisdiction, if it is backed by due process, but it's kind of pointless if universal means "whoever we can get our hands on."


Also, anyone have good reading recommendations on multilateralism, international law, international justice, etc?


Here's an article analyzing the difference between international and domestic law concerning the definition of torture.

http://opiniojuris.org/2009/05/07/no-andrew-specific-intent-does-not-equal-evil-motive/
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