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Disharmony wrote:
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I don't get it. She is entitled to her opinion, no matter how absent minded. Who gives a flying figgity fuck?

Great contribution to this thread. Who said she is not entitled to her opinion?
All the babies crying about her opinion. Seriously, who fucking cares. You're lucky I didn't just post a made up internet comic strip animating a piece of sloth turd wearing an X-men uniform debating rimjobs with Keither Sutherland.

That would have been better than your post.

In the same way she is entitled to her opinion, other people are entitled to their opinions on her opinion. That's how the world works.
Post Wed May 06, 2009 1:41 pm
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That's too bad because her earrings are the stuff gay diva legends are made of.



very funny!
Post Wed May 06, 2009 1:48 pm
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the mean wrote:
Disharmony wrote:
the mean wrote:
Disharmony wrote:
I don't get it. She is entitled to her opinion, no matter how absent minded. Who gives a flying figgity fuck?

Great contribution to this thread. Who said she is not entitled to her opinion?
All the babies crying about her opinion. Seriously, who fucking cares. You're lucky I didn't just post a made up internet comic strip animating a piece of sloth turd wearing an X-men uniform debating rimjobs with Keither Sutherland.

That would have been better than your post.

In the same way she is entitled to her opinion, other people are entitled to their opinions on her opinion. That's how the world works.
Exactly. Just as the babies are entitled to to their opinions on her opinion, I am entitled to my opinion on their opinions of her opinion. This is how the world works.
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Sorry this discussion is over your head and you don't get it. I'm sure there is another thread here more at your level.
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Sorry this discussion is over your head and you don't get it. I'm sure there is another thread here more at your level.
I wish I could take my opinion to the convoluted and pretentious level you can. I mean I don't even know what is going on in this thread. What the hell is gay marriage? I hope one day I can drop my satirical debating style and rise above. I want to one day be able to tackle topics like beauty pageant contestants who disagree with gay marriage probably because she has succumbed to adopting the religious teachings of some black book and isn't afraid to voice her opinion. Or maybe she is blinded by the insane values her family force fed her since she was a child. Orrr possibly she is just another cog in this rotating wheel we call people with a poor moral compass.

I will e-fight all mother fucking day. I don't have a life until tomorrow when I return to my 4th grade classroom to tell all of my wittle friends about what I learned.
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I mean I don't even know what is going on in this thread.

Obviously.
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Her sexuality isn't being used against her at all. Not at all. Never was.

When she entered into pageantry she agreed to certain things. She agreed not to do things like take topless photos. She did take topless photos and they were exposed purely because she's newsworthy, not because she's a she. That negatively affects her career in pageantry, which, given her bigotry, we're in favor of.

To assume that this is a case where pro same sex marriage groups sought to destroy her via use of her own sexuality is ignorant of reality. The reality is that she would have the same thing happen to her if she were as newsworthy, but were a fat guy from Idaho. The difference there is that it'd be pills or pornography or something else hiding in his closet, but the results would be the same.


Yeah no, her GENDER is being used against her. Specifically her female body. Her body is being used as geography in a discussion that really never warranted it or needed it. Her words were stupid enough, that you never had to even go there. But now it's not that she said opposite marriage that invalidates her. It's her fake boobs. Her semi-nude skin(as Jesse rightly pointed out, how hypocritical that a competition that parades her around in a bathing suit, which reveals as much as these photos do, would have a problem with the female body). I just think it's way gross. And it's a black eye for anyone who lowers the discourse there. There was never a need to. But it's often the case that when disagreeing with a woman, one of the first places society goes, is to how she looks or how she expresses her femininity. People do the same thing to Anne Coulter, Sarah Palin, and Hilary Clinton.

I mean, explain to me what her boobs have to do with gay marriage?

Plus all of these attacks just galvanizes the right into seeing her more and more as a martyrr. Which is a very big concept in contemporary fundamentalist Christianity. When she's out there saying she's getting attacked for her faith, and there are all of these piddly personal attacks on her--it really does justify the far right and their feelings that they are under attack, and they feel better about dropping reason from discussions that are related to their faith.
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Her body was what got her there in the first place. She had to fucking play by the rules of the contest she entered into. She didn't and was exposed for no other reason than she's newsworthy. You can abstract the gender out of the argument completely and it doesn't change a thing, which is a good enough litmus test for me to believe that you can enjoy that this is happening without being sexist.
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and the boob job thing was mentioned because it's part of the story.. no one but those looking to denounce any aspect of this story and proclaim her the victim she wants to be has even said anything about it other than "not related but"...

The funny thing about the boob job thing is that it shows how sick pageantry is. All that's happened since it was mentioned is the some people have tried to tie it in and attack those who think that this woman deserves what she gets, but the compelling aspect of that part of the story is more about pageantry itself and the sort of sick demands it makes of the women involved.


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Did anyone mention the boob job in this thread other than me? I just thought it was funny because the CA pageant paid for it. I had no idea something like that went on. Other than that, as I stated, it wasn't meant to be part of the discussion.
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Disharmony really knows how to put it all in perspective and I think the mean is a little resentful that he's lost that ability. Don't be so sour that you love the internet and hate life, guy.
Disharmony would go real good with some Red Stripe right now. I just feel very chillaxed every time you post. I wanna bring you to my next campfire at the beach.
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redball wrote:
Her body was what got her there in the first place. She had to fucking play by the rules of the contest she entered into. She didn't and was exposed for no other reason than she's newsworthy. You can abstract the gender out of the argument completely and it doesn't change a thing, which is a good enough litmus test for me to believe that you can enjoy that this is happening without being sexist.


She was exposed in this manner because she was a woman AND she's newsworthy. There is nothing about the existence of these photos that invalidate her opinions, or beliefs. And yet they are being used in that manner. Maybe you want to justify to yourself that it's okay to do this to her, because you disagree with her, but it's still pretty gross.

If all you really care about is whether she broke the rules of the pageant, then I would think this discussion would be about what constitutes a semi-nude photo and what doesn't. How is she semi-nude in that pic? Her back is to the camera, and her elbow is obscuring most of her breast. She's more covered up than she would be in a swimsuit competition. If that's your huge point of emphasis, then I would think that's what the discussion by you and everyone else would be about. But the only reason these photos are being released are in a malicious attempt to feed into people's desires to destroy her. And the perversity of doing it in this way, is insane, especially coming from hypocritical progressives who only care about this kind of thing when it suits them. Are you against nudity? Does the female form violate the social consciousness for you?
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These photos are no different than Limbaugh's Oxycontin or A-Rod's roids. They were dug up because she's newsworthy and someone wants to destroy her. Her sexuality isn't the issue, because if it weren't against the rules of the contest we wouldn't be talking about them.

And I did make, more or less, the point that the photo itself is a non-issue and irrelevant besides how it is against the rules.
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Yeah, I don't see how anyone could be arguing with Futuristxen on this. She kind of settled it. Actually, In my mellowed state I can't even really tell if anyone is arguing the point..

There's no conflict between boob jobs and weirdo regressive christianity. Nor pink panties and sideboob shots. They love it in fact in this post-disneysex, veggietalesey, hip christian era of ours.
Everybody knows that most of the major figures of the bible were breast men anyway.
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redball wrote:
and the boob job thing was mentioned because it's part of the story.. no one but those looking to denounce any aspect of this story and proclaim her the victim she wants to be has even said anything about it other than "not related but"...

The funny thing about the boob job thing is that it shows how sick pageantry is. All that's happened since it was mentioned is the some people have tried to tie it in and attack those who think that this woman deserves what she gets, but the compelling aspect of that part of the story is more about pageantry itself and the sort of sick demands it makes of the women involved.


Um....those demands are not just the pagaent. That's society as a whole that has those demands.
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