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Alan Hague



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Just 53% of Americans say capitalism's better than socialism  Reply with quote  

According to Rasmussen Reports. Very intersting read:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/general_politics/just_53_say_capitalism_better_than_socialism[/url]
Post Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:18 am
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Captiv8



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This really just goes to show how many people are hovering around the poverty line. How big was the sample he used? Does it say in the report? (I don't have time to read it now at work)
Post Mon Apr 20, 2009 11:44 am
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Unrelated, but I just read in the Economist that one in ten Americans believe Obama is a Muslim. That number seems incredibly high, but through sheer anecdotal experience (even granted I live in Utah) I'm not sure I disbelieve it.

On topic, I was arguing with a friend on break at work yesterday about American capitalism, deregulation, and socio-environmental roles in both--separate concepts that, even when I expressed them as such, he conflated, using his inaccurate meta-version of my various arguments against me nonsensically. At one point the conversation devolved, literally, into two rounds of him saying "Yes it is" and me responding with "No it isn't!" When I realized we were doing that, something quivered in my brain. We mutually changed topics as we headed back to work.

Half an hour later, as we changed PARS sites, I realized that the memory of the sheer illogic of his debate style, the quantity of logical fallacies and conservative campaign tactics he'd been using, had been eating my brain alive while I worked. I couldn't take it. I restarted the argument, and this time, I brought my own (vastly superior) scientific parallels and analogies into the mix to counter his rudimentary expressions of social and economic Darwinism. I think I crushed his intellect, because for the rest of the day we discussed nothing but gay sex and music, in that order.
Post Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:31 pm
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Dan Shay



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There is no question, fat bureaucrats are WAY better than fat executives.

No question at all.
Post Mon Apr 20, 2009 12:37 pm
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Dan Shay wrote:
There is no question, fat bureaucrats are WAY better than fat executives.

No question at all.


Amen.
Post Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:00 pm
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Alan Hague



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Captiv8 wrote:
This really just goes to show how many people are hovering around the poverty line. How big was the sample he used? Does it say in the report? (I don't have time to read it now at work)


They asked 1,000 people.

A few interesting things:

* The older the pollee, the heavier they favored capitalism. Younger people are more open to socialism.

* Also, people responded much more favorably to the phrase "free market" than to "capitalism," which suggests that most people don't believe the market is actually "free."

I'm reading a book called "Not For Sale - Decommodifying Public Life," and I just read an entire chapter on GATS. Very disturbing.
Post Mon Apr 20, 2009 2:32 pm
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Alan Hague wrote:


I'm reading a book called "Not For Sale - Decommodifying Public Life," and I just read an entire chapter on GATS. Very disturbing.


If you want to learn about GATS, you should be listening to Ice Cube or Big L. BLAOW!

The thing that bothers me about such polls as that the pollsters presumably don't offer a definition of what these terms means, so accordingly, I have no fucking clue what the people who support socialism are even in favor of. I don't trust most Americans views on Socialism, because I'm not convinced that most Americans have any idea what it is. Old people think Russia, young people think Sweden...maybe...beyond that I think they're thinking about GATS.
Post Mon Apr 20, 2009 3:04 pm
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I bet over 53% of americans couldn't explain the difference between the two.
Post Mon Apr 20, 2009 8:22 pm
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Alan Hague wrote:
Captiv8 wrote:
This really just goes to show how many people are hovering around the poverty line. How big was the sample he used? Does it say in the report? (I don't have time to read it now at work)


They asked 1,000 people.

A few interesting things:

* The older the pollee, the heavier they favored capitalism. Younger people are more open to socialism.

* Also, people responded much more favorably to the phrase "free market" than to "capitalism," which suggests that most people don't believe the market is actually "free."

I'm reading a book called "Not For Sale - Decommodifying Public Life," and I just read an entire chapter on GATS. Very disturbing.


i dont know about the younger liking socialism
and i think that asking just this is very broad
there are many types of capitalism and different types of socialism
Post Mon Apr 20, 2009 10:21 pm
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I just realized that the question itself is skewed anyway. Capitalism is an economic system, whereas socialism is more governmental in nature. I guess that's a fine distinction to make, but an important one nonetheless. I think the results would be different if it was capitalism vs. communism, especially if asking people brought up during McCarthy's reign of terror.

A thousand people is not a large enough sample in my eyes to make this a viable claim. Ten thousand would have been much more apt, and wouldn't have been that hard if taken in various sectors across the country like, say, a thousand folks polled from the ten largest American cities. Then there could have data and hypotheses relative to perspectives across regions as well as across the country.


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Post Tue Apr 21, 2009 7:17 am
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1000 people is weak and I'd be willing to bet 80% of Americans couldn't give you a definite difference between the two. The right wing thinks Socialism is awful because Obama was mis-connected to Socialism and the left wing(ie younger people) may be for it for the same reason now. I don't know who their sample was or how "young people" is defined, but since I've considered myself a "young person" I've done some reading on the subject and am willing to bet most people haven't.
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Captiv8 wrote:
A thousand people is not a large enough sample in my eyes to make this a viable claim. Ten thousand would have been much more apt, and wouldn't have been that hard if taken in various sectors across the country like, say, a thousand folks polled from the ten largest American cities. Then there could have data and hypotheses relative to perspectives across regions as well as across the country.

I don't know what Rasmussen's methodology for this was, or where they got their thousand respondents, but I'm confident that this poll of 1,000 people is more accurate than it would have been if they polled a million people using your idea.
Post Tue Apr 21, 2009 8:37 am
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phataccino wrote:
Captiv8 wrote:
A thousand people is not a large enough sample in my eyes to make this a viable claim. Ten thousand would have been much more apt, and wouldn't have been that hard if taken in various sectors across the country like, say, a thousand folks polled from the ten largest American cities. Then there could have data and hypotheses relative to perspectives across regions as well as across the country.

I don't know what Rasmussen's methodology for this was, or where they got their thousand respondents, but I'm confident that this poll of 1,000 people is more accurate than it would have been if they polled a million people using your idea.


On what basis? 1000 people is like polling a high school.
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GrantherBirdly wrote:
I bet over 53% of americans couldn't explain the difference between the two.


I agree with this statement the most, especially when it comes down to some of the daily realities of both ideologies.

- writing from La Habana, Cuba


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Post Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:04 am
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It's not the sample size but the technique that phat was ridiculing. A thousand Americans chosen randomly would be much more representative of the country than 10,000 residents of the ten largest cities. Think about it this way: Obama took about 85% of the New York City vote, 70% of the Los Angeles County vote, 76% of the Cook County IL (Chicago) vote, won Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio even though he lost Texas. And so on. The only top-20 city that Obama didn't carry was Phoenix, which is where McCain lives. Now, obviously Obama won but, think about it, he didn't win the country like he won cities. Think about all the "red states" in which Obama lost the state handily but won the major cities. Kentucky, for instance -- Obama lost the state in a landslide but won Louisville by a landslide.
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