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KABUL - A new Afghan law makes it legal for men to rape their wives, human rights groups and some Afghan lawmakers said Thursday, accusing President Hamid Karzai of signing the legislation to bolster his re-election prospects.

Critics worry the legislation undermines hard-won rights for women enacted after the fall of the Taliban's strict Islamist regime.
The law which some lawmakers say was never debated in parliament is intended to regulate family life inside Afghanistan's Shiite community, which makes up about 20 percent of this country of 30 million people. The law does not affect Afghan Sunnis.

One of the most controversial articles of the law stipulates that the wife "is bound to preen for her husband as and when he desires."

"As long as the husband is not traveling, he has the right to have sexual intercourse with his wife every fourth night," Article 132 of the law says.

"Unless the wife is ill or has any kind of illness that intercourse could aggravate, the wife is bound to give a positive response to the sexual desires of her husband."

One provision of the law also appears to protect the woman's right to sex inside marriage, saying that the "man should not avoid having sexual relations with his wife longer than once every four months."

The law's critics say Karzai signed the legislation in the past month only for political gains several months before the country's presidential election.

U.N. agency calls it rape

The United Nations Development Fund for Women, or UNIFEM, said the law "legalizes the rape of a wife by her husband."

"The law violates women's rights and human rights in numerous ways," a UNIFEM statement said.

The issue of women's rights is a continuous source of tension between the country's conservative establishment and more liberal members of society. The Taliban government that ruled Afghanistan from 1996 to 2001 banned women from appearing in public without a body-covering burqa and a male escort from her family.

Much has improved since then. Millions of girls now attend school and many women own businesses. Of 351 parliamentarians, 89 are women.
But in this staunchly conservative country, critics fear those gains could easily be reversed.

Fawzia Kufi, a lawmaker who opposed the legislation, said several of its articles undermine constitutional and human rights of women as equals and take the country backward.

"All the efforts that were made in the last seven years to enhance women's rights will be undermined," Kufi said.

Karzai has not commented on the law. A spokesman, Waheed Omar, said the president is "aware of the discussion surrounding the law, and is looking into the matter."

Brad Adams, the Asia director for the New York-based Human Rights Watch, said the law is a "dramatic setback for women's rights."

"It directly contradicts the freedoms enshrined in the Afghan Constitution and the international conventions that Afghanistan has signed up to that guarantee the rights of women," Adams said.

Female lawmaker: Bill never debated

Safia Sidiqi, a lawmaker from Nangarhar province who condemned the legislation, said she cannot remember parliament debating or even voting on the law and she does not know how it came to be signed by Karzai. She called for the law to be recalled to parliament for debate.

"It is impossible in a two-month session for parliament to pass a law more than 200 pages long," she said of the 263-page law.

Sayed Hossain Alemi Balkhi, a Shiite lawmaker involved in drafting the law, defended the legislation, saying it gives more rights to women than even Britain or the United States does. He said the law makes women safer and ensures that the husband is obliged to provide for her.

As Karzai seeks re-election later this year, he is courting voters in the Shiite community, Kufi said. Women voters are presumed to vote as their husbands do.

"Women's basic freedoms are being sacrificed for the political and electoral gain of a few parliamentarians," Human Rights Watch's Adams said.
Post Sun Apr 19, 2009 3:08 pm
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What kind of relationships are people having in Afghanistan that need something like this to become law? Raping your wife? FFS, why would you ever want to rape your wife? Shit makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
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Well, arranged marriages are common there. So that might cause some sexual tension. I guess it doesn't leave much room for love, not that this is the case for all arranged marriages.


I heard of another story recently of an 8 year old getting married to a man in his 40's. A judge ordered that he not have sex with her til she reaches puberty. She was married off as a payment for debt the father owed to his "good friend."
Post Sun Apr 19, 2009 8:58 pm
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if im not mistaken this law only applies to Shia's which is about 15% of the population. Not to mention, recently a cleric said that the media has the facts wrong and it does not legalize rape. im sure this is more of that "those mozlems are uncivilized lets bomb them."
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O2K wrote:
if im not mistaken this law only applies to Shia's which is about 15% of the population. Not to mention, recently a cleric said that the media has the facts wrong and it does not legalize rape. im sure this is more of that "those mozlems are uncivilized lets bomb them."


So then what are the facts? The law applies to the 15% of the population who are Shia. OK got that. What else?

We also have these quotes which are from the law itself:

"One of the most controversial articles of the law stipulates that the wife "is bound to preen for her husband as and when he desires."

"As long as the husband is not traveling, he has the right to have sexual intercourse with his wife every fourth night," Article 132 of the law says.

"Unless the wife is ill or has any kind of illness that intercourse could aggravate, the wife is bound to give a positive response to the sexual desires of her husband."

One provision of the law also appears to protect the woman's right to sex inside marriage, saying that the "man should not avoid having sexual relations with his wife longer than once every four months."

I'm not really seeing any "those mozlems are uncivilized lets bomb them" in any of this? Why try to defend this man?
Post Sun Apr 19, 2009 9:04 pm
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I just left HRW on Friday. I've met that Brad guy a few times.

Every culture has oppressed (or is) women's rights, but it does seem like muslim countries take it to an extreme degree. In some ways modern popular Islam really has yet to step out of the dark ages.
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Definitely fucked up. Even if it's only 15% or so (NY Times says it's close to 20%), it's not okay to deny the right of that percentage of the population to not be raped!

Not only this, but when around 300 Afghan women protested this publicly, they were surrounded by a mob of mostly (but not only) men, who spat on them and thew stones at them.

Yay, religion!

Times story here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/16/world/asia/16afghan.html
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neveragainlikesheep wrote:
What kind of relationships are people having in Afghanistan that need something like this to become law? Raping your wife? FFS, why would you ever want to rape your wife? Shit makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
It's not as though spousal rape doesn't happen in "ordinary" western marriages.

I don't say that by any means to defend this legislation or practise, far from it. It makes me want to shoot my face off. I just think we let ourselves believe that the marriage contract means more than it does in a lot of ways.
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This is in no way putting Afghanistan one step ahead in tourist attraction.
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Jesse wrote:
neveragainlikesheep wrote:
What kind of relationships are people having in Afghanistan that need something like this to become law? Raping your wife? FFS, why would you ever want to rape your wife? Shit makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
It's not as though spousal rape doesn't happen in "ordinary" western marriages.

I don't say that by any means to defend this legislation or practise, far from it. It makes me want to shoot my face off. I just think we let ourselves believe that the marriage contract means more than it does in a lot of ways.
Oh christ. Not back to the "wait, dont judge them we do it to!" The difference is here your frowned upon, jailed and raped in jail for shit like that. There you get a pat on the back and probably a party as well. Haha you actually tried that shit, that was fucking awesome. Incredible cojones on you guy.
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WeDueThis wrote:
Jesse wrote:
neveragainlikesheep wrote:
What kind of relationships are people having in Afghanistan that need something like this to become law? Raping your wife? FFS, why would you ever want to rape your wife? Shit makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
It's not as though spousal rape doesn't happen in "ordinary" western marriages.

I don't say that by any means to defend this legislation or practise, far from it. It makes me want to shoot my face off. I just think we let ourselves believe that the marriage contract means more than it does in a lot of ways.
Oh christ. Not back to the "wait, dont judge them we do it to!" The difference is here your frowned upon, jailed and raped in jail for shit like that. There you get a pat on the back and probably a party as well. Haha you actually tried that shit, that was fucking awesome. Incredible cojones on you guy.
I wasn't introducing a relativist argument. I have zero patience or tolerance for them. I was just saying let's not pretend ONLY Islamic states have fucked up relationships. That doesn't make ANYthing okay.
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I just wrote a paper on this a few days ago. Yeah, it states a man can get sex from his wife every 4 days as long as she is not feeling alright and the sex won't hurt.

If you want to be disgusted, learn about how women are treated in general in afghanistan. How thousands a year decide to burn themselves to get attention to their cause.

http://rawa.org/women.php

Read a few of those articles, and read about self-immolation there. I think it is something you all need to do.
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Jesse wrote:
WeDueThis wrote:
Jesse wrote:
neveragainlikesheep wrote:
What kind of relationships are people having in Afghanistan that need something like this to become law? Raping your wife? FFS, why would you ever want to rape your wife? Shit makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
It's not as though spousal rape doesn't happen in "ordinary" western marriages.

I don't say that by any means to defend this legislation or practise, far from it. It makes me want to shoot my face off. I just think we let ourselves believe that the marriage contract means more than it does in a lot of ways.
Oh christ. Not back to the "wait, dont judge them we do it to!" The difference is here your frowned upon, jailed and raped in jail for shit like that. There you get a pat on the back and probably a party as well. Haha you actually tried that shit, that was fucking awesome. Incredible cojones on you guy.
I wasn't introducing a relativist argument. I have zero patience or tolerance for them. I was just saying let's not pretend ONLY Islamic states have fucked up relationships. That doesn't make ANYthing okay.


I clearly wasn't stating that only Islamic states have fucked up relationships, but whatevs...
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This law is abominable. Clearly there should be a stipulation allowing women to withhold sex in return for material goods or long-needed housework.
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neveragainlikesheep wrote:
I clearly wasn't stating that only Islamic states have fucked up relationships, but whatevs...
I didn't mean to attribute that viewpoint to you, I just felt like your remark let the west off the hook a little.
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