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Stuckey



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I'm interested in reading about corrupt governments (US or otherwise, although not so much about Bush). I have no idea where to start, so I figured I'd ask here as people here have been really helpful with book suggestions in the past.
Post Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:44 pm
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T-Wrex
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zeitgeist agenda!
Post Sat Nov 29, 2008 3:54 pm
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DeadAwake



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Since your interested, FEMA the secret government is something to look into.

http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/gvcon6.html
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/fema.htm

Edit: sorry, no books.
Post Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:27 pm
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C.R.A.Z.Y



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DeadAwake wrote:
Since your interested, FEMA the secret government is something to look into.

http://www.sonic.net/sentinel/gvcon6.html
http://www.freedomfiles.org/war/fema.htm

Edit: sorry, no books.


don't you mean, fema, the nsa and the dod as the " secret gov't...? i mean, i think that's the line right?

edit** also, read this if you can

from wiki:
Confessions of an Economic Hit Man (ISBN 0-452-28708-1) is a book written by John Perkins and published in 2004. It tells the story of his career with consulting firm Chas. T. Main. Before employment with the firm, he interviewed for a job with the National Security Agency (NSA). Perkins claims that this interview effectively constituted an independent screening which led to his subsequent hiring by Einar Greve, a member of the firm (and alleged NSA liaison) to become a self-described "economic hit man".
Post Sat Nov 29, 2008 9:12 pm
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mindtoast



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haven't read any of these, but it sure was fun looking it up.

The Political Economy of Corruption in China (Studies on Contemporary China)
Julia Kwong

How Russia Really Works: The Informal Practices That Shaped Post-Soviet Politics And Business (Culture and Society After Socialism)
Corruption in Present Day Russia (Paperback)
by Oleg Karpovich

The Best System Money Can Buy: Corruption in the European Union (Hardcover)
by Carolyn M. Warner

From Bad Policy to Chaos in Somalia: How an Economy Fell Apart (Hardcover)
by Jamil Abdalla Mubarak

A Crisis of Governance: Zimbabwe (Paperback)
by Jacob Chikuhwa

Liberia: The Heart of Darkness (Paperback)
by Gabriel I.H. Williams
Post Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:17 am
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breakreep
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How are you gonna recommend books you haven't read? That's just stupid.

Unless you're familiar with the author and happen to trust them unreservedly, I suppose. But that's still iffy. Just not necessarily stupid. Just not brilliant either.

Stuckey: I don't know if you were actually looking specifically for books about malignant plots, or what, but pretty much any honest political account reveals governmental corruption to some degree or another. You could examine all those books on mindtoast's list at your local library, because they do all have 'corruption' in the title, but depending on what you're looking for it might be more worthwhile to read some Noam Chomsky (any of it), or even something like a Howard Zinn book which, while not indicting to modern government to the degree that something by Chomsky would be, still exposes past injustices and the underlying, continuing current that caused them.
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Alan Hague



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"The Best Democracy Money Can Buy" - Greg Palast

Ditto on Chomsky - particularly "Radical Priorities" or "The Chomsky Reader," for a good intro to his work.
Post Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:32 pm
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duxz



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probably not exactly what your looking for but a good one.
http://www.manataka.org/images/Book_Lies_My_Teacher_Told_Me.jpg
Post Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:42 pm
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Stuckey



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breakreep wrote:

Stuckey: I don't know if you were actually looking specifically for books about malignant plots, or what, but pretty much any honest political account reveals governmental corruption to some degree or another. You could examine all those books on mindtoast's list at your local library, because they do all have 'corruption' in the title, but depending on what you're looking for it might be more worthwhile to read some Noam Chomsky (any of it), or even something like a Howard Zinn book which, while not indicting to modern government to the degree that something by Chomsky would be, still exposes past injustices and the underlying, continuing current that caused them.


I actually found a book by Zinn while unpacking yesterday, so I'll start with that. But, no, I wasn't necessarily looking for books about one specific incident and corrupt may not have been the right word. I'm just interested in reading about the fucked up stuff governments do (and stuff that might seem good on the surface).


Thanks to everybody who recommended(s) stuff.
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C.R.A.Z.Y



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a classic zinn you might try would be
the people's history of the united states of america...
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Szechwan



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I'm surprised I'm the first to recommend Shock Doctrine. Unless of course some one has and I've missed it.

Anywho. Shock Doctrine. Covers all kinds of stuff, from CIA involvement in the southern cone, to present day Iraq.
Post Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:25 pm
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Stuckey



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C.R.A.Z.Y wrote:
a classic zinn you might try would be
the people's history of the united states of america...


This is the book I found while unpacking.

Szechwan wrote:
I'm surprised I'm the first to recommend Shock Doctrine. Unless of course some one has and I've missed it.

Anywho. Shock Doctrine. Covers all kinds of stuff, from CIA involvement in the southern cone, to present day Iraq.


There's a copy of that sitting on a shelf in the other room. It's a hardback with no sleeve, though, so I had no idea what it was about.
Post Sun Nov 30, 2008 2:40 pm
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Sage Francis
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Stuckey wrote:
C.R.A.Z.Y wrote:
a classic zinn you might try would be
the people's history of the united states of america...


This is the book I found while unpacking.

Szechwan wrote:
I'm surprised I'm the first to recommend Shock Doctrine. Unless of course some one has and I've missed it.

Anywho. Shock Doctrine. Covers all kinds of stuff, from CIA involvement in the southern cone, to present day Iraq.


There's a copy of that sitting on a shelf in the other room. It's a hardback with no sleeve, though, so I had no idea what it was about.


I highly recommend both of these books. The Shock Doctrine is important for people to read right now.
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Yeah, it's almost a cliché to tell people that they need to read The Shock Doctrine. But they do.
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Alan Hague



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Just read this in today's New York Times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/30/washington/30general.html?pagewanted=7&_r=1&th&emc=th

Crazy article about a retired military general who was a major part of this year's scandal involving military personnel working as "independent analysts" for major news networks - and how they simply regurgitated talking points the Pentagon and the Bush Administration were feeding to them.

Dude also works as a lobbyist for multiple defense corporations, and he never reported all of these conflicts-of-interest to NBC. Awesome.[/url]
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