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MetemorphosisofNarcissus
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Thankyou Windom! All these titles. And with Exams coming to an end i will have time to read them too!!!

Awsome.

Oh and that lecture by Zizek. Definately enjoyable. I never really expected someone to look at "the Sound of music" so seriously. LOL.
Post Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:24 pm
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ted_kennedy wrote:
To cite Scary Moive as a 'postmodernist' film is not the way to go.

First of all, maybe you ought to ask yourself the question: which notable 'postmodernists' have ever described themselves as such? As far as the one's I myself am interested in, the answer is none.

Where 'postmodernism' is useful is in understanding the reasons why people want to use the term postmodernism.

I recommend you read Foucault - especially Discipline and Punish and Power/Knowledge. Also, Zizek is good (especially if you are into film studies).


I dig Foucault. A customer at the cafe I used to work in was a huge fan of his work and would talk to me about it all the time.

I took this post modernist literature course because I really like some of the authors. Auster and Murakami in particular. The problem I am finding is that their doesn't seem to be any sort of real authority to the theory involved. Never before have I ever had such writers block then when I try to write these essays.

The scary movie reference is because of the intertextuality and the irony.
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Thanks Windom.
Post Thu Apr 17, 2008 3:06 am
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monkeyseemonkeydo wrote:


I took this post modernist literature course because I really like some of the authors. Auster and Murakami in particular.


Murakami is postmodern? Shit then I'm fucking pro on the subject.
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sequence wrote:
Who do you hang out with such that they have never heard of George Orwell?

I think I've been around universities too long.


We read Animal Farm and 1984 in 9th grade english. I thought this was standard. Of course at that age all they teach you is that communism is bad.


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Post Thu Apr 17, 2008 10:24 am
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jrspudsquad wrote:

We read Animal Farm and 1987 in 9th grade english. I thought this was standard.


Is that the sequel to 1984?
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Dan Shay wrote:
jrspudsquad wrote:

We read Animal Farm and 1987 in 9th grade english. I thought this was standard.


Is that the sequel to 1984?


something like that. haha actually i've been filling out forms like a mofo lately for my new job and 1987 is my berff year. all fixed.
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I'm excited for the backlash against post modernism, personally. Papers will be presented in crayon and construction paper.
Post Thu Apr 17, 2008 12:34 pm
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I like postmodernism.
Post Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:57 pm
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jrspudsquad wrote:
Dan Shay wrote:
jrspudsquad wrote:

We read Animal Farm and 1987 in 9th grade english. I thought this was standard.


Is that the sequel to 1984?


something like that. haha actually i've been filling out forms like a mofo lately for my new job and 1987 is my berff year. all fixed.


what, no. 1984 is a projection of what is to come while animal farm is a allegory of soviet union leading up to stalin.
Post Thu Apr 17, 2008 4:45 pm
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breakfast wrote:
I'm excited for the backlash against post modernism, personally. Papers will be presented in crayon and construction paper.


You missed it. Leftist scientists like Alan Sokal went to bat for the Enlightenment, while crippling one of the most important radical academic journals of its era. They were paid in anti-intellectual celebrity and in high-fives from their fellow technocrats.
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Icarus,

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but do you really think that the Lit Crit/Lit Theory world didn't get what was coming to them by publishing Sokal's article in the first place? I mean, if you lack that much self awareness, what do you expect to happen?

I'm actually curious to hear if you've got an argument about this, as I've never really heard a good one.

Keep in mind that I just finished my Ph.D., having written a dissertation on Heidegger and Schelling (w/ serious help from Nancy and Derrida)--I'm not trying to be self-aggrandizing. Just letting you know what team I'm batting for.
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Bona fides noted and congratulations extended once again.

sequence wrote:


I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but do you really think that the Lit Crit/Lit Theory world didn't get what was coming to them by publishing Sokal's article in the first place?


Not much time to respond here.

Well, the lit crit/lit theory world didn't publish the Sokal article, some editors at Social Text did. And they may have, given the conditions (for instance the fact that ST wasn't a peer-reviewed journal), made the right choice still. Even still, the tacit thesis of the article and the response to it -- 'it's all trendy bullshit' -- reaches beyond those editors to tarnish folks (and, more importantly, their ideas) that had nothing to do with the decision to publish the piece.

I think my problem with the affair boils down to my reading of its legacy as something of a discursive roadblock -- some great questions regarding the political character of scientific empiricism, for instance, are harder to answer anymore. Finally, and speaking of the economics of the situation -- both in the epistemological economics of the "science wars" and in the money economics of higher education -- the Sokal affair comforts the comfortable and afflicts the afflicted (which isn't necessarily wrong as much as it's skeevy).
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I'm reading this Postmodernism and Islam book for a module on Muslims in the UK. It has a pretty good synopsis of postmodernism in the opening chapter.


Quote:


1. To approach an understanding of the postmodern age is to presuppose a questioning of, or a lack of faith in, the project of modernity. It includes a spirit of pluralism, a heightened scepticism of traditional orthodoxies and finally a rejection of a view of the world as a universal totality.

2. ...conicides with the age of the media, the media are in many ways to the Zeitgeist of postmodernism.

3. The continuity of the past, however, apocalyptic the claims, remains a strong feature.

4. A focus on urban environments

5. Postmodernism allows, indeed encourages, the juxtaposition of discourses, an exuberant eclecticism, the mixing of diverse images. i.e literary, philosophical, architectural.





Anyway, here is some more stuff I couldn't upload the other day.

Karatani, Kojin - Transcritique: On Kant and Marx - http://www.mediafire.com/?9npbmniicni

Adorno, Theodor - Minima Moralia: Reflections from the Damaged Life - http://www.mediafire.com/?zvwf0bk0exd

Adorno, Theodor - Negative Dialectics - http://www.mediafire.com/?ennvmds1dns

Schurmann, Reiner - Broken Hegemonies - http://www.mediafire.com/?yncc9g9x3iu

Barnett, Stuart (editor), Hegel after Derrida - http://www.mediafire.com/?u453xhddyze

Malabou, Catherine, The Future of Hegel: Plasticity, Temporality and Dialectic - http://www.mediafire.com/?goyty4ghmdy

Heidegger, Martin. Being and Time - http://www.mediafire.com/?bmjnmx1w40n

De Beistegui - Heidegger and the Political -
http://www.mediafire.com/?xtzjinibww4

Nancy, Jean-Luc - The Gravity of Thought
http://www.mediafire.com/?nwzn04achgt

Nancy, Jean-Luc. A Finite Thinking - http://www.mediafire.com/?yqjtykezbtn

Butler, Judith, E. Laclau, and Slavoj Žižek - Contingency, Hegemony, Universality: Contemporary Dialogues on the Left - http://www.mediafire.com/?2jd5yqbqqm4

Foucault, Michel - History of Madness - http://www.mediafire.com/download.php?x9zb350igpd

Roderick, Rick. Self Under Siege: Philosophy in the 20th Century. The Teaching Company.

or alternately, you can download each individual lecture:

Roderick, Rick. "The Masters of Suspicion." Self Under Siege: Philosophy in the 20th Century. The Teaching Company - http://www.mediafire.com/?nmqt1scbkqk

Roderick, Rick. "Heidegger and the Rejection of Humanism." Self Under Siege: Philosophy in the 20th Century - http://www.mediafire.com/?h6y9y13jpiz

Roderick, Rick. "Sartre and The Roads to Freedom." Self Under Siege: Philosophy in the 20th Century - http://www.mediafire.com/?wggt2uvjczb

Roderick, Rick. "Marcuse and One-Dimensional Man." Self Under Siege: Philosophy in the 20 th Century - http://www.mediafire.com/?2ancbjcfngf

Roderick, Rick. "Habermas and the Fragile Dignity of Humanity." Self Under Siege: Philosophy in the 20th Century - http://www.mediafire.com/?ydvj4n2qt4e

Roderick, Rick. "Foucault and the Disappearance of the Human." Self Under Siege: Philosophy in the 20th Century - http://www.mediafire.com/?tjtm95x6elr

Roderick, Rick. "Derrida and the Ends of Man." Self Under Siege: Philosophy in the 20th Century - http://www.mediafire.com/?da1jwexgmv2

Roderick, Rick. "Fatal Strategies." Self Under Siege: Philosophy in the 20th Century - http://www.mediafire.com/?5mdhgttbj1o


Ansell Pearson, ed. A Companion to Nietzsche (Blackwell Companions) 2007 - http://www.mediafire.com/?gwxdzbmxnax

Castoriadis, Cornelius - Philosophy, Politics, Autonomy - http://www.mediafire.com/?zsws0jnnxmj

Castoriadis, Cornelius. The Imaginary Institution of Society - http://www.mediafire.com/?zbnj8yit2j2

Routledge Philosophy Guidebook To Derrida On Deconstruction - http://www.mediafire.com/?lhgn01utzbv

Manuel DeLanda - A Thousand Years of Non-Linear History - http://www.mediafire.com/?vmzsmwphjcm
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Rick Roderick gives a very entertaining introduction to postmodernism. HIGHLY recommended.
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