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Embryo



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the mean wrote:
Are people still defending Ron Paul?

If you believe he had no knowledge of what was written in his news letter at the time it was printed, or any time after that where he could have run a retraction you are a straight up dumb ass.

File him next to David Duke, and let's move on.


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Post Wed Jan 09, 2008 11:54 am
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Dan Shay wrote:

The kinda guy that is an isolationist to leave Israel out in the desert with their pants down

You are aware that they are armed with all the latest hitech weaponary and nukes and have been both the victim and agressor right?
That whole situation is fucked on all sides.
That's why I'd rather not get caught up in the middle.

And I'm not defending Paul, I just find it all very interesting at this point.
Kind of like the insect battle thread.
He's not an isolationist though, that's just rhetoric. An isolationist would mean he doesn't want to trade and be completely self sufficient as a country.

Also Duke doesn't endorse him, just puts all his info on his site. ha.
I read that while digging through these articles.
ha once more, cus that's just a funny ass cover.
I mean, what is the definition of endorse? That's getting hella technical and not fooling anyone.

I wish Gravel was viewed as less bat shit crazy, that guy has all the right ideas. Even hung out at the SF gay pride parade.
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This is kind of interesting.
Though it might be the first time I've ever considered voter fraud is a good thing.


*edit*
wow, there's all kinds of shady shit relating to this, including Obama.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/archives/cat_vote_fraud.html
Post Wed Jan 09, 2008 1:34 pm
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Lusid wrote:

He's not an isolationist though, that's just rhetoric. An isolationist would mean he doesn't want to trade and be completely self sufficient as a country.


He wants out of the UN.

That's isolationist enough to scare the fuck out of any historically aware european.


edit: and the fraud thing... it seems more likely they just switched something in their database accidentily.
It means nothing if other sites don't show the same thing. There is no major conspiracy of newspapers. If anything is wrong, it would be with the voting machines and that wouldnt show up in a newspaper website...


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^I agree with that, I'm just sayin.
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icarus502 wrote:
breakreep wrote:
ibuprofen wrote:
shambhala wrote:
That didn't address anything in the article, at all. Dude published a newsletter called "The Ron Paul Report" for twenty years with verifiably racist and homophobic views. Game over.


you're an idiot. game over.


Dude. No he's not. He's shambhala. Game over.


Seriously, dude's been consistently one of the best, well-written dudes around here for years. Most certainly not an idiot.


Coming from you Icarus, that's one of the better complements I've gotten here. I feel like I'm out on an island a lot of the time, but part of why I like this place is there are a lot of smart people here with some pretty divergent views. As far as the internet goes, we're pretty lucky here.

And I can't believe people are using the "Ron Paul didn't know what was being done with the newsletter that bore his name" defense! After the last eight years you can say that with a straight face!? Hah!! That's even worse than if he had written it!
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Ron Paul wants to define life as starting at conception, build a fence along the US-Mexico border, prevent the Supreme Court from hearing cases on the Establishment Clause or the right to privacy, permitting the return of sodomy laws and the like (a bill which he has repeatedly re-introduced), pull out of the UN, disband NATO, end birthright citizenship, deny federal funding to any organisation which "which presents male or female homosexuality as an acceptable alternative life style or which suggest that it can be an acceptable life style" along with destroying public education and social security,, and abolish the Federal Reserve in order to put America back on the gold standard. He was also the sole vote against divesting US federal government investments in corporations doing business with the genocidal government of the Sudan.

Oh, and he believes that the Left is waging a war on religion and Christmas, he's against gay marriage, is against the popular vote, opposes the Civil Rights Act of 1964, wants the estate tax repealed, is STILL making racist remarks, believes that the Panama Canal should be the property of the United States, and believes in New World Order conspiracy theories, not to mention his belief that the International Baccalaureate program is UN mind control..


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Post Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:00 pm
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That is a lot half truths in all of that.

Paul isn't against really against gay marriage, he's against the federal law defining marriage:


Watch this:


I've read a bunch of articles talking about all of this.

Is there any links to what you just posted?
Oh, I see the link is a link. duh.
Post Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:35 pm
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Paul is telling CNN that he has "no idea" who wrote the Ron Paul Survival Report.
LOL
Post Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:58 pm
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Also, libertarians can't be racist because racism is a "collectivist idea."

By that same argument, libertarians also can't be citizens.
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He's a diehard successionist who wants to be president of the republic.
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icarus502 wrote:
Paul is telling CNN that he has "no idea" who wrote the Ron Paul Survival Report.
LOL


He was on CNN talking about this? I'd like to see that.
Saying that is pretty LOLable, but the South Africa Oprah situation could be considered very similar.
http://www.oprah.com/about/press/about_press_academy.jhtml
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,308082,00.html

I think he's saying individuals make up a civilization.
This is entirely why I'm a registered independent.

I'm just trying to be open minded to everything presented here.
I find most of it to be grey and murky and not a lot of clear cut answers.

At this point I'm not sure if he's racist, or just ignorant, or just completely insensitive with the "facts" that he believes in.
Like the 95% of black people iun DC are criminal or semi-criminal. What does semi-criminal mean? Is he saying the laws are fucked and creating this or is he saying they are criminals by nature?
I think nothing can really be answered unless he explains what he means and digging around in the internet for any shread of dirt or de-dirt isn't making it much more clear.
(no raceo)


*ow* I just saw a clip and he looked like he was goingto have a heart attack.


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http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/01/10/paul.newsletters/index.html#cnnSTCOther1
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Welp, he's fucked.
He should have confronted this before it hit the mainstream like I was saying. Now the snow ball is rolling and I don't think he could talk his way out even if he had prove that he's never said a racist thing in his life.
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I'm continually shocked by the depth of his bigotry. Good lord! It's like that old joke about what white people talk about when there are no people of color around come to life. Wow!
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