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breakreep
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These are actual quotes.



Fuck, seriously? I thought you were just playing along with me.

Haha.





Wow!
Post Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:27 pm
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http://forums.joerogan.net/forumdisplay.php?f=5

Icarus had it dead on.
Post Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:30 pm
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Sometimes I forget how much more depressing the rest of the internet is compared to this forum.
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bigsole wrote:
senator byrd is the man. one of the best senators. his oratories against the war are perhaps the best thing to come out of congress before the invasion.

Well, that, and he started a local KKK chapter.
Post Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:56 pm
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firefly wrote:
http://forums.joerogan.net/forumdisplay.php?f=5

Icarus had it dead on.


About what? I forget.
Post Tue Jan 08, 2008 9:57 pm
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In reference to Joe Rogan:

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He's a Ron Paul comedian.
Post Tue Jan 08, 2008 10:22 pm
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the mean wrote:
I'm not sure what scares me more, if tons of people go to bat for this guy and didn't know this stuff, or if they know this and choose to ignore it.

Lusid? 3flip? Care to answer?

Where is the Contractor?


dan shay posted some shit that made me question everything. this shit was hidden and has been dug up. i still am not convinced that paul wrote this shit but it was in his newsletter and that alone just makes me sad. i still think he would do far far more good for our country than any of the other candidates running for the simple fact that by stripping away the government he'd be stripping away all of the corruption. but fuck the racist shit. it all really doesnt matter at all anymore, he got fucking 5th in NH, a state he was supposed to do well in. FUCK
Post Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:39 pm
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From what I'm seeing these articles seem legit.
Dropping this story right before the the NH poll makes it a little shady in intent though.
At the same time if I was trying to kill a racist candidate's steam I would do the same.

A black guy's opinion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zYc4heiicOg&feature=related
Another black guy defending him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZG5CxkvIEU

This was a pretty decent defense on the Rogan site:
"I liken this to Oprah's school in Africa. Some teacher there beating students or something. Oprah had good intentions and yet something horrible happened with one of her projects. I am sure she wishes she had watched over it more and helped prevent it from happening. Ron Paul has the newsletter with good intentions. Some racist bigot writes that stuff and tarnishes Ron's name, I am sure Ron is sorry and wish he had more oversight and prevented that, but it happened and we can all move on."

But what gets me the most is calling black people "animals". That's pretty fucking extreme and seems hard to believe came from the same person who wrote this:
http://www.lewrockwell.com/paul/paul68.html

I'm definitely leaning hard towards him being a racist at this point.

I'm very interested in how this will be handled in the next few days by Paul and his staff.
Post Tue Jan 08, 2008 11:42 pm
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http://www.freemarketnews.com/WorldNews.asp?nid=41822

Ron Paul Race Smear Erased?
Tuesday, January 08, 2008 - FreeMarketNews.com



Internet information claiming that presidential candidate Ron Paul (R-TX) is a racist – and made derogatory comments about African Americans - has been making the rounds within the blogosphere. But sources close to the editorial group that published the newsletter (or newsletters) that supposedly carried the comments claim that Ron Paul never had anything to do with them, and wasn’t even aware of them.

These sources say that editorial operation in question was a fairly large one, and profitable for its time - focused in large part on measures that one could take to generate a lifestyle independent of government influence and intervention.

The publication, or publications, comprised a business venture to which Ron Paul lent his name. Headquarters were “60 miles away” from Ron Paul’s personal Texas offices. At the time that the publications were being disseminated, primarily in the 1980s, Ron Paul was involved in numerous activities including Libertarian politics. He eventually ran for U.S. president as a Libertarian.

“This was a big operation,” says one source. “And Ron Paul was a busy man. He was doctor, a politician and free-market commentator. A publication had to go out at a certain time and Ron Paul often was not around to oversee the lay out, printing or mailing. Many times he did not participate in the composition, either.”

This source and others add that publications utilized guest writers and editors on a regular basis. Often these guest writers and editors would write a “Ron Paul” column, under which the derogatory comments might have been issued.

Says one source, “Ron Paul didn’t know about those comments, or know they were written under his name until much later when they were brought to his attention. There were several issues that went out with comments that he would not ordinarily make. He was angry when he saw them.”

Ron Paul has said that he did not write the comments in question, but, nonetheless, has taken "moral" responsibility for them.

An excerpt from an apparent interview with Texas Monthly as quoted on the blog Everything2.com clarifies the above information as follows:

"In spite of calls from Gary Bledsoe, the president of the Texas State Conference of the NAACP, and other civil rights leaders for an apology for such obvious racial typecasting, Paul stood his ground. He said only that his remarks about Barbara Jordan related to her stands on affirmative action and that his written comments about blacks were in the context of 'current events and statistical reports of the time.' He denied any racist intent. What made the statements in the publication even more puzzling was that, in four terms as a U. S. congressman and one presidential race, Paul had never uttered anything remotely like this.

"When I ask him why, he pauses for a moment, then says, 'I could never say this in the campaign, but those words weren't really written by me. It wasn't my language at all. Other people help me with my newsletter as I travel around. I think the one on Barbara Jordan was the saddest thing, because Barbara and I served together and actually she was a delightful lady.' ...

"His reasons for keeping this a secret are harder to understand: 'They were never my words, but I had some moral responsibility for them . . . I actually really wanted to try to explain that it doesn't come from me directly, but they campaign aides said that's too confusing. "It appeared in your letter and your name was on that letter and therefore you have to live with it." ' It is a measure of his stubbornness, determination, and ultimately his contrarian nature that, until this surprising volte-face in our interview, he had never shared this secret. It seems, in retrospect, that it would have been far, far easier to have told the truth at the time."

http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=Ron%20Paul

The operative sentence in the above would seem to be: “What made the statements in the publication even more puzzling was that, in four terms as a U. S. congressman and one presidential race, Paul had never uttered anything remotely like this.” The remarks may well have been seen as out of character because they were not written by Ron Paul, and he had no knowledge of them and no input into their composition, even though he eventually took responsibility for them.

Adds a source aware of the current tempest over these remarks, “Anybody who claims that Ron Paul made the comments in question is deliberately mis-stating what occurred to make political points. It is a measure of [his opponents] desperation that they are dredging this up again. Anybody who reads all that he has written – and there’s lots of it – could see that right away.”
Post Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:11 am
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Here is a one of Ron Pauls writings..actually written by Ron  Reply with quote  

http://www.ronpaul2008.com/issues/racism/

A nation that once prided itself on a sense of rugged individualism has become uncomfortably obsessed with racial group identities.

The collectivist mindset is at the heart of racism.

Government as an institution is particularly ill-suited to combat bigotry. Bigotry at its essence is a problem of the heart, and we cannot change people's hearts by passing more laws and regulations.

It is the federal government that most divides us by race, class, religion, and gender. Through its taxes, restrictive regulations, corporate subsidies, racial set-asides, and welfare programs, government plays far too large a role in determining who succeeds and who fails. Government "benevolence" crowds out genuine goodwill by institutionalizing group thinking, thus making each group suspicious that others are receiving more of the government loot. This leads to resentment and hostility among us.

Racism is simply an ugly form of collectivism, the mindset that views humans strictly as members of groups rather than as individuals. Racists believe that all individuals who share superficial physical characteristics are alike: as collectivists, racists think only in terms of groups. By encouraging Americans to adopt a group mentality, the advocates of so-called "diversity" actually perpetuate racism.

The true antidote to racism is liberty. Liberty means having a limited, constitutional government devoted to the protection of individual rights rather than group claims. Liberty means free-market capitalism, which rewards individual achievement and competence - not skin color, gender, or ethnicity.

In a free society, every citizen gains a sense of himself as an individual, rather than developing a group or victim mentality. This leads to a sense of individual responsibility and personal pride, making skin color irrelevant. Racism will endure until we stop thinking in terms of groups and begin thinking in terms of individual liberty.
Post Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:18 am
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That article is recycling older ones.

*the first article, not Paul's.
Post Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:22 am
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Lusid wrote:
That article is recycling older ones.

*the first article, not Paul's.


Fair Enough. It would appear that he has dealt with this racist issue long ago. (Maybe he hasn't dealt with it well enough)

This story about his newsletter might have gotten buried cause it held no real weight and maybe its came back up because it was the day of the N.H primary....its all kinda fishy to me.

So it seems like they are just recyling a old issue...for political gain.



Regardless...Paul needs to clear things up MUCH better.
Post Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:32 am
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the mean wrote:

Well, that, and he started a local KKK chapter.


Yeah but that was in like 1785.
Things were different then. He said quote "I'm over it motha fuckaz, shit."
Byrd has done a lot of good for my state along with his anti-war stance, I can't really bash his decrepit ass too much.
Post Wed Jan 09, 2008 12:35 am
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timmyprinz wrote:
Lusid wrote:
That article is recycling older ones.

*the first article, not Paul's.


Fair Enough. It would appear that he has dealt with this racist issue long ago. (Maybe he hasn't dealt with it well enough)

This story about his newsletter might have gotten buried cause it held no real weight and maybe its came back up because it was the day of the N.H primary....its all kinda fishy to me.

So it seems like they are just recyling a old issue...for political gain.



Regardless...Paul needs to clear things up MUCH better.


True, but a bunch of these articles are newly dug up, like yesterday new.
(which is shady politicially, but doesn't change the "facts")

I totally agree with you, he needs to clear this up himself asap.
Even if it kills all the momentum he's got.

And this is humorous. I honestly thought about making a video with the same concept a while back, so I'm glad someone made it either way.
(it kind of shows the dedication/cultistism of his supporters so it works for everyone)
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Free Market News Network, timmy?


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RACISM OR REALISM?

Tuesday, November 15, 2005


by Ilana Mercer

In the words of the inimitable Hans-Hermann Hoppe: “If you are not called a racist, then, it seems to me, you are in intellectual trouble and it is high time to reconsider your own thinking.” Professor Hoppe was attempting to console me, after someone marked us both with that Mark of Cain. Now, based on my last column, Rah-Rah for Rioters, Connie Deady of The Reform Club implies the same:

“It is offensive to me to suggest that something is lacking in a race of people. Just because Jews at a different time and place were able to rise above doesn’t mean another race in another time should be able.

Or maybe I misunderstand [Ilana’s] point. I suspect that being hated might make one work harder. I don’t know that everyone hates Jewish people. Maybe they are jealous? I tend to think that Jewish people as a race are smarter than the rest of us.”

I stated that Chinese and Jews have 1) overall endured far greater depredations in modern times than Muslims and African-Americans (notwithstanding category overlap). 2) Have coped with such contingencies admirably while Arabs and blacks… not so much.

Is this not an observation of reality? Am I not stating an objective fact? So why is realism framed as racism? Dare discomfit people with unsettling facts, and they threaten to tarnish your reputation with damaging labels; tell the truth, and, it would seem, you risk your reputation.

That pretty much sums the direction in which discourse has been steered.

Note that Ms. Deady gets herself into a bit of a bind with a performative contradiction—she herself observes aggregate trends among groups.

http://www.freemarketnews.com/Analysis/56/2908/2005-11-15a.asp?nid=2908&wid=56
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