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an email I recieved from a disgruntled female hiphopper.
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Reggie



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One time someone called me a "cracker." I replied, "Hey, I listen to the rap music!"
Post Fri Sep 27, 2002 6:21 am
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MessiahCarey



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EisiGulp wrote:
It's hard to go to a hip hop show and not get offended being a woman. But who should I get pissed off at? The rapper? Nah, man, he's up on the stage speaking his mind and I'm in the audience, he's one up on me. The girls willing to drop to their knees in the hopes of catching a taste of the rapper's success? Nope, she's stupid enough to place the measure of her self worth on what some guy thinks of her. None of them really effect my life one way or the other...unless I let them.
The fact is I paid five or ten dollars to get into this joint and listen to this shit when I could be at home making a list of the world's problems and wraping the sollutions up together in one of my neat little activist poems and listening to my favorite rapper via my favorite, most comfortable headphones. That five dollars could have gone towards the outrageous cost I'm paying for studio time on my up coming album, "74 minutes that will change the world," and it really will change the world. I'm the a*hole who let my vibe get messed up, my aura must be blacker than Malcolm X right now. I'm glad rappers write songs about how they want their dicks sucked, I tried to learn how from my friend's parent's porn, but I just couldn't figure it out.
But seriously, with male rappers worying about getting sex, and dumb girls worrying about giving sex, being an outspoken woman is easier than it seems. The dumb girls look up to me, the dumb men are always impressed, and the intelligent people of both sexes know what I mean when I'm speaking.
Dig it?

PS Is hip hop supposed to be about positivity? I didn't get the memo, I feel like a real homoerectus stuck in the thought that raw self expression is the way to go.



NICE.

Exactly.

Yep.

- Shane
Post Fri Sep 27, 2002 8:27 am
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Dee



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Let me put it in perspective:

If hip hop was racist, would that be ok? Would you tell the black guys to go home if they didn't want to hear whites talkng about lynching?
Post Fri Sep 27, 2002 8:47 am
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Jive Kitten



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[quote="mr self distrukt"]
1- historically, women treat other women much worse than men ever have.

you have got to be kidding about this
Post Fri Sep 27, 2002 8:51 am
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Petrouchka Rasputin



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Djdee... forget it.
Post Fri Sep 27, 2002 5:01 pm
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Dee



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No, really, what?


I don't see whats so wrong with this girl talking about making hip hop more progressive in the area of how it treats women. Women are seen by hip hop (in general) as being either a virgin or a slut, and not as a person.

It doesn't mean hip hop is wack.

It doesn't mean you can't talk about getting your dick sucked, it doesn't mean you can't talk about whatever you want...freedom of speech is cool.

I don't think she's trying to mandate what everyone is rapping about.

She's just saying that it would be cool if women could be respected in this culture more than they are.

And I think this applies to the rest of the world, too.

correct me if I'm wrong.
Post Fri Sep 27, 2002 6:39 pm
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Ryan



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i agree with heather somewhat.. altho i think it's a kinda contradictory.. and i think this isn't the right place to be bringing it up at.. support local hip hop b4 you support the non-prophets message board.. i'd be interested in knowing what you're doing in your neck of the woods to back all this.. 'cause you sound like you're really determined and capable..
Post Fri Sep 27, 2002 7:51 pm
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Petrouchka Rasputin



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"Women are seen by hip hop (in general) as being either a virgin or a slut, and not as a person." - djdee

Maybe that's true of (some) rhymes, but you can't take music to be representative of someone's actual viewpoint. Even the guy rapping about blowjobs doesn't necessarily see women purely as sextoys, can we agree on that? Maybe I'm naive, but I think nearly everyone is perceptive enough to realize that no one is "a 6-foot blow job machine" (I think that's how it goes) as Sarah Jones put it in Your Revolution.

There obviously are a few people who do like such base sex rhymes, but those are people who already have that mindset - so it's not exactly poisoning them. People who aren't into that sort of thing won't begin to objectify women after hearing a song like that. And even if someone does enjoy it, that doesn't mean they objectify women, and regardless, there are many females who objectify men. (I'm not saying two wrongs make a right... I'm saying that when both parties are willing there's nothing wrong with wanting only sex - as has been said before. Your disapproval of that behaviour doesn't make it wrong.) So all we have is a song that some people like and some people don't. And those who don't like it can either bitch about how much it upset them or think "that's a crappy song" and make sure not to support artists making music that offends them.

It isn't reasonable to go to a show knowing nothing about the artists on the bill and then complain about how much their lyrical content shocked you. She made a mistake by going to that show, and the smart thing to do is to not repeat it.

And I still don't see how it is implicit in a song about blowjobs that women aren't good for anything else. Yes, it still expresses a narrow-minded point of view, but it would be absurd if all songs had to be accompanied by a disclaimer.

That's all I'm going to say. I'm finished with this.
Post Fri Sep 27, 2002 8:13 pm
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Petrouchka Rasputin



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djdee2005 wrote:
Let me put it in perspective:

If hip hop was racist, would that be ok? Would you tell the black guys to go home if they didn't want to hear whites talkng about lynching?


That's not putting it in perspective. That's applying an idea to something very different from what is in debate in order to prove your point, then reapplying it to the original issue. Lynching is not equivalent to oral sex.

Okay - now I really am finished.
Post Fri Sep 27, 2002 8:18 pm
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Dee



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obviously its not the same thing...

But how does it make a difference? explain more specifically please.
Post Fri Sep 27, 2002 8:28 pm
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Petrouchka Rasputin



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A blowjob involves two willing people.
A lynching involves someone being killed (quite unwillingly) out of hate.
Post Fri Sep 27, 2002 8:34 pm
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Dee



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Yes, but either way, one party finds references to it in music offensive....
Post Fri Sep 27, 2002 8:44 pm
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Petrouchka Rasputin



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I'll put it as bluntly as I can: one group is justified, the other is a bunch of crybabies.

Goodnight.
Post Fri Sep 27, 2002 9:05 pm
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Dee



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How sensitive of you....
have many girlfriends, huh?
Post Fri Sep 27, 2002 9:31 pm
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Petrouchka Rasputin



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Hey, this is an argument, I don't have to be sensitive =)
Like many of us, I'm only an asshole on the internet... I probably wouldn't be so stubborn if we were doing this face-to-face. I'd still feel the same way, but I'd probably change the topic if I felt it was worth not pissing you off. But here things are different.

I'm single and not looking.

(yes, I am still up... turns out I'm working later tomorrow than I thought)
Post Fri Sep 27, 2002 9:51 pm
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