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ALBUQUERQUE, N.M. (AP) - CBS apologized to American Indians angered by OutKast's Grammy Awards performance, which featured feathers and war paint.

"We are very sorry if anyone was offended," said Nancy Carr, a CBS spokeswoman in Los Angeles, on Friday.

As the final act of Sunday's Grammy telecast, OutKast's Andre "3000" Benjamin and several dancers swirled wildly around a green teepee as he sang "Hey Ya!" Costumes included war paint, feathers and fringe.

OutKast's hip-hoppy jive won three trophies: best urban-alternative performance for "Hey Ya!" and best rap album and overall album of the year for "Speakerboxxx/The Love Below."

I like OutKast. I like their music," said Tom Bee, an Albuquerque record producer and musician, who was nominated for the Native American music Grammy. "But I thought the show was not correct. It was degrading."

The San Francisco-based Native American Cultural Center called for a boycott of CBS; OutKast; Arista, their record company; and the National Academy of Recording Arts and Sciences, which sponsors the Grammys.

The center also has filed a complaint with the Federal Communications Commission and said it posted documents online explaining "why this broadcast was racist and why the companies involved need to take responsibility for their commercialization of Native American culture."

The Web site also urged viewers to "Turn Off CBS," and for each boycotter to ask 10 friends to do likewise.

In New York, a woman who answered the phone Friday at Arista Records' publicity office said OutKast had no immediate comment.

George Toya of the Jemez Pueblo powwow group Black Eagle, who was in the audience at the Staples Center in Los Angeles, said he was initially happy when he heard the chant that opened OutKast's performance. He thought he was about to see an American Indian group perform.

"It was a Navajo song that I recognized, and I got a little excited," said Toya, who was at the ceremony with other members of Black Eagle to pick up a Grammy for best Native American music album for "Flying Free."

But the drumming was actually the intro to "Hey Ya!"

Toya said he couldn't believe it.

"I told my wife who was sitting beside me, 'Somebody is going to be (angry) about this,'" he said.

American Indians across the country were angered by what they said was a performance disrespectful to their culture and a perpetuation of tomahawk-and-teepee stereotypes.

The Oneida Nation criticized the performance on Tuesday.

Indianz.com launched an online petition calling for an apology from Andre. By Wednesday night, there were 2,500 signatures.

Bee was particularly angered that the dancers who accompanied Andre wore feathers, a sacred symbol for American Indians.
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i mean come on now how PC are we supposed to be?
IMO thats rediclious
Post Mon Feb 16, 2004 12:55 am
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Sad thing is, if Janet didn't show her tit the week before no one would have said anything about this. People just looking for something to bitch about.
Post Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:00 am
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I can imagine being weirded out if I was in the position of a Native American.
Post Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:03 am
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I'm down with the natives on this one...

People are going to be offended at SOMETHING nowadays...It's impossible to avoid it, but this was just obvious ignorance and degragation...

What if Justin Timberlake came out in blackface and was spitting watermelon seeds after singing an old negro spiritual...Then busted out into his hit single...While dancers "acted out" the underground railroad...

It would be ridiculous...

I think my example is the equivalent of what was done to the natives...
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The song that the dude was talking about is actually an Old Navajo song for a healing ceremony.

Other than that i thought the performance was alright. Maybe i wasnt offended because my tribe isnt known to wear feathers and to fight with tomahawks.

But the whole teepee thing is a pretty sacred thing to natives as a whole. But ohh well at least andre didnt get on the mic like "HOW"
Post Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:16 am
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The song that the dude was talking about is actually an Old Navajo song for a healing ceremony



ehh i honestly didnt know that i didnt watch the grammys but i just came across this article


im not going to say anything else due to the fact that its really not my place to say anything but i honestly disagree
Post Mon Feb 16, 2004 1:22 am
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Why isn't it your place?

What BETTER place to speak your arguement...
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American Indianz...there's a group with a lot of clout. :rollseyes:


Is this piece really for real? It reads like a weird parody of the Janet Jackson thing. Like an Onion article.
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because im not a native american i shouldnt even have posted this thread
but since i did here i go.......

would they rather have someone thats not native american 'showing' (not the best word)there culture or would they rather have an indian buying a casino and 'selling out'(in no way shape or form the right words) there culture

what if im offended by 2 gay guys kissing on a christina aguleara video ? does that mke me prejiduce towards gays??


i just think sometimes everyone takes this kind of stuff to literal
people need to live and let live ya know?

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bluntedinmichigan wrote:
would they rather have someone thats not native american 'showing' (not the best word)there culture or would they rather have an indian buying a casino and 'selling out'(in no way shape or form the right words) there culture

what if im offended by 2 gay guys kissing on a christina aguleara video ? does that mke me prejiduce towards gays??

i just think sometimes everyone takes this kind of stuff to literal
people need to live and let live ya know?

You're all over the place here. You completely miss the point of why Native Americans would be offended. It's not because they are "showing" their culture. It's because (a) OutKast chose to portray negative stereotypes (war paint, etc.); and (b) they took somthing sacred (the teepee) and made it into a prop for a silly song (i like the song, but it is definitely silly.)

What does two "gay guys" kissing have to do with anything? Sounds like it has been on your mind quite a bit though.

Sure, "live and let live." Easy to say if it is not the negative stereotypes associated with your race/culture being mocked.

That being said, i am not for any sort of FCC sanctions or whatever. I just think that Native Americans who are offended should speak up and that their viewpoints are valid.
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I'm with the NA on this one.

Doctrine a solid point in his post. It's a culture that they're exploiting, although a small one, it's still a culture.

Blunted- I know quite a few native americans and to throw out the "why don't you sell out and build a casino" is ridiculous. I realize that was not how you wanted to say what you had to say...but i know what you mean, and it's still crazy to me. It is such a long line of defeat for the tribes I know, depression is everywhere along with alcoholism which leads to poor parenting- which spawns children that grow up to be exactly the same...few and far between are there people breaking that mold. What's the reason for all of that? Is it really b/c we stole their land long ago? I think partly that, and partly b/c of stuff on the Grammys and other degrading acts that have occured in pop culture (wild west movies in the 50's). Casinos are giving the tribes and everyone in the tribe money to get a better start imo.

Are casinos really a good idea for the native americans though? eh, probably not, casinos ruin more lives then help. But if they can help my friends out with food and clothes for their kids, I'm for them.

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I'm fucking pissed at CBS right now too for taking off the MoveOn.org anti Bush commercial, and keeping the pro-Bush campaign ad.
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tv just sucks in general. if everyone would stop letting media and pop culture run their lives, then this shit wouldnt have happened. dont get me wrong, what outkast did was stupid and its easy to see why native americans were offended. but if you want to look past the initial act and go to the source, its the grammys. its mainstream media. its society being too wrapped up in all this garbage. sure im ranting and preaching and sounding like some anti-corporate hippy moron, but id rather be all of the above then another one of the mindless fools that sits glued to the television 24/7 to see what latest scandal happens involving their favorite corporation, political figure, musician, sports star, etc.

to be lame and quote sage, "im not down with the mainstream."

im done.
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Reason wrote:
I'm fucking pissed at CBS right now too for taking off the MoveOn.org anti Bush commercial, and keeping the pro-Bush campaign ad.


yes yes

but craig, a better start? I live with 2 teachers that teach at a NA middle school. This tribe is giving $2,000 a month to each member of the tribe from the $$$$$$$$$buco bucks its making from it's casinos. There are no limits on what they can spend it on. Not that I think there should be. But there is no investment counseling, you don't even have to be 18 to get the check. The $ just teaches them that buying stuff is what will make them happy, and why would they need skills for a job? So these teachers are dealing with kids in middle school who don't care for or value their education because they have $ and that's what matters to them.
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Native americans deserve all the spoils this country gives them, and more, simply due to what it did to their people and land.

But dude, they should lighten up a little on this one.

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