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crash



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Invisible Children founder detained after masturbating in public half clothed:

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/jason-russell-san-diego-invisible-children-kony-2012-142970255.html

Honestly I feel bad for these guys. I think that video was bullshit, but their hearts are in the right place.
Post Fri Mar 16, 2012 3:26 pm
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firefly



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crash wrote:
I think that video was bullshit, but their hearts are in the right place.


How do you know that?

You think that IC are too stupid to know basic facts about their cause? Of course not. They purposely manipulated the truth so they could push their product.
Post Fri Mar 16, 2012 5:13 pm
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mancabbage wrote:
badabingbadaboom!

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I think David Mitchell had a good bit on this just after Brookers bit. Little prescient too.
"Watching it as a sort of cynical British person, I went into it pretty much against child soldiers. . . By the end I was a bit more in favor of them. Still more or less against. But if it would annoy that irritating smug bastard, that is definitely in the plus column. No one that certain can fail to be a maniac."

The breakdown is in a fine evangelical tradition.

Even with all the creepy shit I could have believed they were just deluded people trying to do good, but if their hearts were in the right place they wouldn't have put out deceptive charts trying to muddy the facts behind their org. They knew they were a bunch of cocks, or they wouldn't have tried to hide stuff.
Post Fri Mar 16, 2012 8:24 pm
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firefly wrote:
You think that IC are too stupid to know basic facts about their cause?


um...yea, i do.
Post Fri Mar 16, 2012 10:16 pm
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Jason Russel snapped. We won!
Post Sat Mar 17, 2012 4:04 am
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FuseONE wrote:
firefly wrote:
You think that IC are too stupid to know basic facts about their cause?


um...yea, i do.


So even though basically all media is saying that Kony has been out of the country the last 5-6 years, you think that IC somehow were never told that? Like after all the years they've been making their propaganda films no one ever came up to them and said "uh, dude, Joseph Kony isn't in Uganda anymore".

That doesn't sound very likely to me.
Post Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:26 am
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Limbs



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I think the video alluded to Kony not being in Uganda anymore, but I don't really think that was the point anyway. The point of the video, to me, was solely about raising awareness. Or maybe that is just how I'm choosing to view it. No defending the IC guys.
Post Sat Mar 17, 2012 9:50 am
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Why am I not shocked that this guy was found masturbating in public?
Post Sat Mar 17, 2012 7:49 pm
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Limbs wrote:
I think the video alluded to Kony not being in Uganda anymore, but I don't really think that was the point anyway. The point of the video, to me, was solely about raising awareness.
I'm confused by the implication of benefit that accompanies "raising awareness" in a context where the information is misleading.

"It's not the point that it's true, the point is for you to be AWARE of it."
Post Sun Mar 18, 2012 5:35 am
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Limbs



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Yeah, well, like I said, I think I'm putting some blinders on for this one.
Post Sun Mar 18, 2012 8:31 pm
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Limbs wrote:
Yeah, well, like I said, I think I'm putting some blinders on for this one.
Was this something like what you were getting at?
http://thenewinquiry.com/blogs/zunguzungu/the-jimmy-mcnulty-gambit/

I think there's a lot to be said for the perspective put forth in this article, but I think it overlooks the fundraising intent and specific campaigning of the KONY stuff maybe a bit too much?

Unsure.
Post Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:32 pm
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Theory 77



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I bet this doesn't work.... I am forum INEPT.
Meh.

http://youtu.be/fRHH-eWcQ0M
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Limbs



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Jesse wrote:
Limbs wrote:
Yeah, well, like I said, I think I'm putting some blinders on for this one.
Was this something like what you were getting at?
http://thenewinquiry.com/blogs/zunguzungu/the-jimmy-mcnulty-gambit/

I think there's a lot to be said for the perspective put forth in this article, but I think it overlooks the fundraising intent and specific campaigning of the KONY stuff maybe a bit too much?

Unsure.


I just skimmed it but, yeah, I think so.

And yeah, I am backtracking on being cool with the "Make Kony Famous" stuff. It is in poor taste.

ETA: Yeah, it's a bit roundabout but that article gets to how I am thinking.
Post Tue Mar 20, 2012 12:47 pm
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crash wrote:
Invisible Children founder detained after masturbating in public half clothed:

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/jason-russell-san-diego-invisible-children-kony-2012-142970255.html

Honestly I feel bad for these guys. I think that video was bullshit, but their hearts are in the right place.



This is a great article that doesn't condemn them but explicitly dissects why you shouldn't feel bad, in my opinion..

http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/03/the-white-savior-industrial-complex/254843/2/

Referring to a NY Times journalist with a similar approach as IC:

"I want to tread carefully here: I do not accuse Kristof of racism nor do I believe he is in any way racist. I have no doubt that he has a good heart. Listening to him on the radio, I began to think we could iron the whole thing out over a couple of beers. But that, precisely, is what worries me. That is what made me compare American sentimentality to a "wounded hippo." His good heart does not always allow him to think constellationally. He does not connect the dots or see the patterns of power behind the isolated "disasters." All he sees are hungry mouths, and he, in his own advocacy-by-journalism way, is putting food in those mouths as fast as he can. All he sees is need, and he sees no need to reason out the need for the need."
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you guys just never got caught masturbating in public. smug.
Post Thu Mar 22, 2012 5:26 pm
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