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Post Fri Jul 29, 2011 10:57 am
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This was a fun debate (i.e. dialogue) between Durbin and McCain yesterday in the Senate. They speak so weeelllll

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/chi-110802-durbin-mccain-debt-deal,0,172648.story
Post Mon Aug 01, 2011 12:55 pm
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So after all that bullshit, not a single tax goes up? I'm sorry, when the fuck did we become the United States of Texas?
Post Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:02 pm
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breakreep wrote:
So after all that bullshit, not a single tax goes up? I'm sorry, when the fuck did we become the United States of Texas?


Right around this point.

In the 2010 elections, conservatives who were angry at the rest of us for electing Democrats in 2008 took a good long running start, nearly 12 months worth of it, toward kicking the American left in the balls at the polls.

A significant portion of the base calmly stood and watched them do it, and then stayed home on election day because even with control of both branches of Congress, even with the Presidency, even with two Supreme Court appointments in the first two years of the Obama presidency, Democrats in this country still couldn't deliver any of the reforms they promised. Obama and the Congressional Democrats frittered away the 111th Congress, consistently letting a Republican minority shame them into not executing on the agenda they promised to win their post-Bush mandate in the first place.

Meanwhile the conservative majority in the Supreme Court vomited up the Citizens United ruling just in time for the 2010 elections to get underway. Huge amounts of private and unaccountable money influenced those elections, elections where conservative state legislators had been quietly putting anti-gay referendum questions on ballots in state after state in an effort designed from the ground up to galvanize their base.

The Tea Party caucus we elected last year did exactly what they were expected to do, and people just a little to the left of me sat by and let it happen, partly out of indifference, but largely in an attempt to teach people just a little to the right of me a lesson.

In the end a Democratic president signed into law a bill from the 112th Congress that our last Republican president would have been proud to get from the 109th Congress.

It didn't help that Ted Kennedy and his handlers decided to let him die in office rather than stepping down in 2008 when it became apparent that his prognosis was terminal; nor did it help that the Senate race between Al Franken and Norm Coleman in Minnesota was dragged out until something like six months after the election was held--but these things were ultimately only bad accidents. Democrats could and should have done more.

So prior to the 2010 elections we got a stimulus package that was too small, health care reform that gave away too much to reform too little, essentially toothless reform of the financial industry, and an incredibly irresponsible renewal of the Bush tax cuts. We did repeal Don't Ask Don't Tell, sort of, after the elections were over. Oh--and Joe Lieberman got to keep all his committee postings even though he endorsed the Republican candidate in 2008 and probably did more to obstruct meaningful health care reform than anyone else in his caucus. When this is the two years you serve up to the people who got you elected, voter turnout like we saw in 2010 is exactly what happens as a result.

Since the 2010 elections we've had systematic attacks on LGBT rights across the country, attacks on union rights across the country, attacks on reproductive health rights across the country, attacks on the foundations of what little reform the 111th Congress did put on the President's desk. When voter turnout looks like it did in 2010, this is exactly what happens as a result.

Say what you want about Republicans, but they tend to do their damnedest to keep most of the promises they make to their base. They're going to be running shit for a long time unless the political left in this country achieves some kind of reconciliation and starts getting out the vote again.
Post Tue Aug 02, 2011 9:58 pm
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The Dems are definetly fuggin up... They dropped the ball on taxes a while ago, and have never had a strong message to counter any of the bullshit the repubs come up with. It's looking like much needed tax increases/reform is not going to happen anytime soon, which sucks... Rich get richer...

One of the articles I read said Obama can simply let the Bush tax cuts expire in 2013. I find that hard to believe, can anyone confirm that?
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I said after during the 2010 elections "Fuck Obama, Fuck the Democrats" and didn't vote for either. So far 2012 is looking the same. We all need to start galvanizing under a new party. We need our own tea party on the left. Because our voice is not being heard.

Obama is a complete DonkeyPhant. The two party system is between those who have money, and those who don't. And the former is the only one being represented in congress.

The new political party is "start putting up ways to protect you and your own, in the coming crash"
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Let me tell you how completely surprised I am that there was, in fact, no crisis, and the rich got richer.
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futuristxen wrote:
We need our own tea party on the left. Because our voice is not being heard.


I kinda can't believe the same thought crossed my mind. I'm getting apathetic as fuck. Something needs to jump start me.
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Limbs wrote:
futuristxen wrote:
We need our own tea party on the left. Because our voice is not being heard.


I kinda can't believe the same thought crossed my mind. I'm getting apathetic as fuck. Something needs to jump start me.


This doesn't? Then you're probably just lazy.
Post Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:57 am
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Probably but it never stopped me from caring before.
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jakethesnake wrote:
Let me tell you how completely surprised I am that there was, in fact, no crisis, and the rich got richer.


haha I know right. What a miracle that they solved this "crisis" at the "11th" hour...
Post Wed Aug 03, 2011 4:46 pm
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Is Obama going to run in the republican primary in 2012? He's starting to put together a nice list of achievements for the GOP.
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seriously, i feel like all the democrats have become republicans and all the republicans are just crazy lizard people with cowboy hats and lollipops.
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futuristxen wrote:
jakethesnake wrote:
Let me tell you how completely surprised I am that there was, in fact, no crisis, and the rich got richer.


haha I know right. What a miracle that they solved this "crisis" at the "11th" hour...


the deal was a awful, horrible pile of shit but the crisis was real.. just because it was averted isn't evidence that there was no danger of the downgrade happening, or that it wouldn't have fucked up the economy a ton.

the main concern I have is that this tactic of having a minority holding the government hostage to crazy ass demands will be used all the time, and fuck up the federal government even more.

we need more parties, that much is clear. if we had 4 parties, the democrats, the republicans, the socialists, and the tea party.. our government would be much more effective AND more representative.
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MCGF wrote:
futuristxen wrote:
jakethesnake wrote:
Let me tell you how completely surprised I am that there was, in fact, no crisis, and the rich got richer.


haha I know right. What a miracle that they solved this "crisis" at the "11th" hour...


the deal was a awful, horrible pile of shit but the crisis was real.. just because it was averted isn't evidence that there was no danger of the downgrade happening, or that it wouldn't have fucked up the economy a ton.

the main concern I have is that this tactic of having a minority holding the government hostage to crazy ass demands will be used all the time, and fuck up the federal government even more.

we need more parties, that much is clear. if we had 4 parties, the democrats, the republicans, the socialists, and the tea party.. our government would be much more effective AND more representative.


Please refer to the article I posted on the previous page. There never was a crisis.
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