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xGasPricesx



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CriticalTheory_Breakfast wrote:
Can we get rid of this fucking state already? Jesus.


Please don't. We aren't all bad. We aren't even the worst out of all the states either. Plus we have the Grand Canyon, that thing is amazing, you don't want to lose that... Right?
Post Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:15 am
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mzehe916



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I think Florida is first on the list of states to get rid of.
Post Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:50 am
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Juan wrote:
Cold Funcrusher wrote:
This is fucking ridiculous...
Have there been any demonstrations against police or what?
Also what is the matter with people from US? How can a thread like this be lacking comments while others less important have hundreds?


I think a lot of people are just a bit desensitized to these threads because there's been so many threads about cops being shitty, so they don't comment. Doesn't make it any less fucked up.


Cold Funcrusher - I couldn't agree with you more... Demonstrations? Shhhiiitttt - Have you seen the what the riot police have in their arsenal? Not to mention they "don't need no mother fucking warrants" anymore so no one whats to fuck with em.

Juan - You're right... But it's not just this thread or forum... We as a entire country are constantly desensitized to everything around us... Our nations debt, our wars, our banking systems, our infrastructure, our rights as citizens and anything else you can think about. It's a lot easier and funner to go to war with each other over Ryan Dunn or Tracy Morgan... You can sit back at work and watch the hours melt away...

Wow, my day is almost over!
Post Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:14 pm
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T-Wrex
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"Don't need no" is a double negative.

So he did know he needed a warrant.
Post Thu Jun 23, 2011 12:46 pm
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Juan wrote:
Cold Funcrusher wrote:
This is fucking ridiculous...
Have there been any demonstrations against police or what?
Also what is the matter with people from US? How can a thread like this be lacking comments while others less important have hundreds?


I think a lot of people are just a bit desensitized to these threads because there's been so many threads about cops being shitty, so they don't comment. Doesn't make it any less fucked up.


Maybe not desensitized but more at a loss for words. Shit is fucked.
Post Thu Jun 23, 2011 1:24 pm
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T-Wrex wrote:
"Don't need no" is a double negative.

So he did know he needed a warrant.


You're kidding, obviously, but to be clear they didn't need a warrant. She permitted the cops' entry.
Post Thu Jun 23, 2011 3:26 pm
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Although I made that the title of this thread, that is the last thing I expected people to get hung up on. Yes, it's true the cop didn't need a warrant to enter the house. Yes, he spoke in a double negative. Cripes already.
Post Thu Jun 23, 2011 4:06 pm
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Well, we don't know the full story. The police did not need to a warrant to enter the residence because permission was granted, but I believe they would still need a warrant of execution, or permission from the residents, to seize any property therein. Search warrants and warrants of execution are two different things: the former involves entry into a home and the second involves taking property. There also could have been a debate about the arrest of Rodriguez. If the police were simply there to check up on something with Rodriguez and attempted to arrest him without probable cause (i.e. they did not have an arrest warrant and he was not doing something plainly illegal or in violation of probation/parole) then Rodriguez was correct in his statement. This whole thing hinges upon the testimony of the partner, as his word will carry much more weight than the mother or the offending cop.

Just be glad you don't live in Indiana, where you can't resist the UNLAWFUL entry of police into your home.

http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/govt-and-politics/article_ec169697-a19e-525f-a532-81b3df229697.html
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Some good news in this tragedy, at least:

http://blogs.phoenixnewtimes.com/bastard/2011/03/richard_chrisman_killer_cop_te.php

The cop who killed Rodriguez was fired, though he was able to remain on the job for several months thanks to the Phoenix Law Enforcement Association. Isn't that nice? PLEA also apparently tried to character assassinated Sergio Virgillo, who was Richard Chrisman's partner at the time of the incident. The charges against Chrisman have also escalated to second degree murder, which is good. Finally, Rodriguez's mother has sued the city of Phoenix for $30 million. The criminal trial begins June 27, 8am, for any of you folks out the way interested in attending.
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Sage Francis wrote:
Although I made that the title of this thread, that is the last thing I expected people to get hung up on. Yes, it's true the cop didn't need a warrant to enter the house. Yes, he spoke in a double negative. Cripes already.


Ha, believe me, Sage... not hung up on it. One bit. Was simply clarifying in case people thought it was needed. Not like I was justifying anything he did.
Post Thu Jun 23, 2011 6:06 pm
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remind wrote:
Was simply clarifying in case people thought it was needed.


Don't call me people.
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T-Wrex wrote:
remind wrote:
Was simply clarifying in case people thought it was needed.


Don't call me people.


But you're my peoples.
Post Thu Jun 23, 2011 7:26 pm
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Cold Funcrusher wrote:
This is fucking ridiculous...
Have there been any demonstrations against police or what?
Also what is the matter with people from US? How can a thread like this be lacking comments while others less important have hundreds?


I've addressed this sort of comment before, but I'm really bored this morning and don't want to actually start working, so I'll do it again.

The reason why a thread like this, which is arguably more socially important than things like Charlie Sheen's Contrived Craziness, Ryan Dunn's Darwin Award, or Lebron's MVC* Award, get so much less attention is that there is nothing to discuss. When everyone is in agreement on a subject then further discussion is uninteresting. The point is moot.

It becomes a question of who can agree more fervently, or who can nitpick more incessantly, rather than an opportunity to have any sort of lasting dialog. Whether consciously or not, we realize this and thus we move on. It's not desensitization, it's just the way that social interactions work.

Try this: Get your friends together and ask them in a collective to discuss whether they like having money. See how long the conversation goes. My guess is that most people would be like, "yeah, who wouldn't?" And maybe you'd get one or two, "As a concept I would prefer a socialistic system rather than capitalism." There won't be much discussion on the topic as it will either fizzle out or devolve into only mildly related politics. That's what we have here.

Few people here support the police. Most are weary of anything to do with the police. Some think they're entirely unnecessary. Others might support them, but would not do so in a thread that is so obviously about a bad cop. Who would possibly want to argue in favor of all but the most mundane things about this situation? (e.g. "He didn't need a warrant.")

The only thing we could possibly discuss in this situation is something we've discussed countless times before: How much do we need the police? What is the proper balance of power? Those are only tangentially related, anyway. I will posit, however, that it's more productive to go on tangents like that than it is to go off on tangents about how not holding pointless conversations is what's wrong with a community or society. So if you want to do that, then ask a question rather than fault others for not doing so in your stead.

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mlanifesto



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redball wrote:
Get your friends together and ask them in a collective to discuss whether they like having money.


Over the past couple of years I've subjected myself to a few interminable conversations about the concept of money, usually instigated by people who have seen those Shite-geist internet movies. They don't care that I have nowhere to store goods for bartering.

Canadian police brutality, doing it wrong:


This seems to have generated more media outrage than the incident this thread is about (in their respective countries), at least as far as I have seen.

Hope they throw the book at the Arizona cop at the trial, but I doubt they will.

I think the small-dicked cowboy approach to their work, that U.S. cops seem to be taught at cop school, has a lot to do with the frequency and intensity this type of thing.
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