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T-Wrex
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"When you came pulling in here, did you notice a sign out in front of my lake that said "Dead Terrorist Storage"?
Post Wed May 11, 2011 5:53 pm
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crash



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Bin Laden’s Secret Life in a Diminished World
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/08/world/asia/08binladen.html?partner=rss&emc=rss

Osama bin Laden death: How family scene in compound turned to carnage
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/05/bin-laden-death-family-compound

Bin Laden’s Death: Why the Arab World Shrugs
http://www.nybooks.com/blogs/nyrblog/2011/may/09/max-rodenbeck-bin-ladens-death-arab-world-shrugs/

The unintended consequences of American funding in Pakistan
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/05/16/110516fa_fact_wright

U.S. Raises Pressure on Pakistan in Raid’s Wake
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/09/world/asia/09donilon.html

Bin Laden killing in legal gray zone
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0511/54382.html#ixzz1LpWnckpV

Leak of C.I.A. Officer Name Is Sign of Rift With Pakistan
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/10/world/asia/10pakistan.html

Osama bin Laden mission agreed in secret 10 years ago by US and Pakistan
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/09/osama-bin-laden-us-pakistan-deal

WikiLeaks: ISI allowed terrorists to attack India, says Gitmo detainee
http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/wikileaks-isi-allowed-terrorists-to-attack-india-says-gitmo-detainee-104246

India Strengthens Accusations of ISI Mumbai Link
http://blogs.wsj.com/indiarealtime/2011/05/10/india-strengthens-accusations-of-isi-mumbai-link/

India begins wargames on Pakistan border
http://www.news24.com/World/News/India-begins-wargames-on-Pakistan-border-20110509

Kill the Men, Take the Thumb Drives
http://www.slate.com/id/2293749
Post Thu May 12, 2011 11:50 am
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I never really thought I'd be saying this, but, Thank You John McCain!

Torture did not lead to bin Laden:
http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_16026/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=JUF5LfZs
Post Thu May 12, 2011 2:50 pm
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Joshua Kane wrote:
I never really thought I'd be saying this, but, Thank You John McCain!

Torture did not lead to bin Laden:
http://m.apnews.com/ap/db_16026/contentdetail.htm?contentguid=JUF5LfZs


came here to post this

another story here

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/john-mccain-to-bush-apologists-stop-lying-about-bin-laden-and-torture/2011/03/03/AF10AnzG_blog.html?hpid=z4


full speech, but some good stuff starting at 5:40
Post Thu May 12, 2011 4:08 pm
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i was surprised he lost his crazy. can you become so senile that you start making sense?
Post Thu May 12, 2011 7:03 pm
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Majawala wrote:
i was surprised he lost his crazy. can you become so senile that you start making sense?


Yes! Its called becoming unsane, a state where you have passed through insanity and now are able to see fundamental truth.
Post Thu May 12, 2011 10:08 pm
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poopsnack



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http://www.geekosystem.com/bin-laden-email/
I'd love to know if he used things like LOL and LMAO.
"...then you drop the child off in at the mall and start the timer. In 2 minutes - BOOM, Sucka! LOL It's just another Martyr for the cause IMO!"

or maybe he was all douchy-like with all capitols like Vast Aire or Necro.
Post Fri May 13, 2011 7:40 am
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John McCain was never crazy. For a Republican he's a pretty decent guy. That twinge of craziness you saw was two things:

1) Politics. McCain had to out-maneuver the crazies on one hand and placate them on the other. When he was making his Presidential bid he had to differentiate himself from the opponents and reassure parts of his voter base that were weary of his moderate views. In the aftermath, John couldn't simply go back to being John. He had to first take some time in which his politics matched those stated during the campaign, and later he had to make sure that the new radical movement in his party didn't oust him from the Senate for being a moderate.

2) Grappling with honesty. John McCain is a social moderate and fiscal conservative. He's not like people like Ron Paul who would completely gut every social service possible, given the chance. So when he had to pretend to be a radical social conservative for various reasons stated above it killed him. He's not a great liar and has a lot of tells. If you believe he's being true to himself when he says some of the more radical things you're likely to mistake bad lying and tells for twinges of lunacy. If he came unraveled at all its because he doesn't like to lie and that caused a disconnect between man and political machine.

None of this is saying that I particularly enjoy his body of work as a politician. However, he's mostly been consistent on matters like torture. I've agreed with him before on this issue and I wouldn't be surprised if I agree with him again.
Post Fri May 13, 2011 7:49 am
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exactly. for all of his flip flopping, he's been consistent on torture. minus the obligatory american exceptionalism, that was a great speech.
Post Fri May 13, 2011 8:51 am
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I have my FOIA request in one hand, we won't talk about the other...

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/we-have-found-bin-ladens-porn/
Post Fri May 13, 2011 11:57 am
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some good stuff on the ISI here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/may/12/isi-bin-laden-death-pakistan-alqaida
Post Fri May 13, 2011 2:16 pm
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T-Wrex
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bestest headline ever..

thanks, Fox!!

Post Fri May 13, 2011 3:20 pm
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crash wrote:
exactly. for all of his flip flopping, he's been consistent on torture. minus the obligatory american exceptionalism, that was a great speech.
Calling him a "flip-flopper" was by far my guiltiest pleasure during the '08 campaign season.. my repub friends would get soooo mad when I'd use their amazing buzzwords against them.
Post Fri May 13, 2011 3:23 pm
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redball wrote:
I have my FOIA request in one hand, we won't talk about the other...

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2011/05/we-have-found-bin-ladens-porn/


What I learned from that article: The Taliban has an English-language Twitter account.
Post Fri May 13, 2011 3:57 pm
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redball wrote:
John McCain was never crazy. For a Republican he's a pretty decent guy. That twinge of craziness you saw was two things:

1) Politics. ...

2) Grappling with honesty. ...

Which of these covers "gook?"
Post Fri May 13, 2011 5:44 pm
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