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Eric B



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Whats going on over there mzehe!?


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BERLIN (AFP) – Germany's attempt to create a multi-cultural society has failed completely, Chancellor Angela Merkel said at the weekend, calling on the country's immigrants to learn German and adopt Christian values.

Merkel weighed in for the first time in a blistering debate sparked by a central bank board member saying the country was being made "more stupid" by poorly educated and unproductive Muslim migrants.

"Multikulti", the concept that "we are now living side by side and are happy about it," does not work, Merkel told a meeting of younger members of her conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party at Potsdam near Berlin.

"This approach has failed, totally," she said, adding that immigrants should integrate and adopt Germany's culture and values.

"We feel tied to Christian values. Those who don't accept them don't have a place here," said the chancellor.

"Subsidising immigrants" isn't sufficient, Germany has the right to "make demands" on them, she added, such as mastering the language of Goethe and abandoning practices such as forced marriages.

Merkel spoke a week after talks with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan in which they pledged to do more to improve the often poor integration record of Germany's 2.5-million-strong Turkish community.

Turkish President Abdullah Gul, in a weekend interview, also urged the Turkish community living in Germany to master the language of their adopted country.

"When one doesn't speak the language of the country in which one lives that doesn't serve anyone, neither the person concerned, the country, nor the society," the Turkish president told the Suedeutsche Zeitung.

"That is why I tell them at every opportunity that they should learn German, and speak it fluently and without an accent. That should start at nurseries."

German President Christian Wulff was due for a five-day visit to Turkey and talks with the country's leaders on Monday.

The immigration debate has at times threatened to split Merkel's conservative party, and she made noises to both wings of the debate.

While saying that the government needed to encourage the training of Muslim clerics in Germany, Merkel said "Islam is part of Germany", echoeing the recent comments of Wulff, a liberal voice in the party.

Horst Seehofer, the leader of the CDU's Bavarian sister party, CSU, who represents the right-wing, recently said Germany did not "need more immigrants from different cultures like the Turks and Arabs" who are "more difficult" to integrate.

While warning against "immigration that weighs down on our social system", Merkel said Germany needed specialists from overseas to keep the pace of its economic development.

According to the head of the German chamber of commerce and industry, Hans Heinrich Driftmann, Germany is in urgent need of about 400,000 engineers and qualified workers, whose lack is knocking about one percent off the country's growth rate.

The integration of Muslims has been a hot button issue since August when a member of Germany's central bank sparked outrage by saying the country was being made "more stupid" by poorly educated and unproductive Muslim migrants with headscarves.

The banker, Thilo Sarrazin, has since resigned but his book on the subject -- "Germany Does Itself In" -- has flown off the shelves, and polls showed considerable sympathy for some of his views.

A recent study by the Friedrich Ebert Foundation think tank showed around one-third of Germans feel the country is being "over-run by foreigners" and the same percentage feel foreigners should be sent home when jobs are scarce.

Nearly 60 percent of the 2,411 people polled thought the around four million Muslims in Germany should have their religious practices "significantly curbed."

Far-right attitudes are found not only at the extremes of German society, but "to a worrying degree at the centre of society," the think tank said in its report.

"Hardly eight weeks have passed since publication of Sarrazin's theory of decline, and the longer the debate continues to a lower level it falls," the weekly Der Spiegel commented Sunday.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101017/wl_afp/germanymuslimreligionimmigration
Post Mon Oct 18, 2010 3:05 pm
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Yeah, it is pretty interesting. The big news has always been up on some "they don't want to assimilate" type shit when talking about Turkish youth in Germany. Not wanting to speak the language, follow through in the school system (resulting in higher education). Meanwhile, Germany's population growth rate is -.053% (2009), so there is a need to fill the gap otherwise the dependency ratio in the future will be off balance. I don't know....it is confusing. Turkish were more than welcome here when the coal industry was booming, now attitudes change. It is similar to the relationship between Mexican migrant workers and U.S. citizens. "We don't want you but we kind of need you" type of relationship. But the Muslim hate train is all around Europe. Belgium, France, the Netherlands...it doesn't stop with Germany. I can't explain it. I think the article saying one third is a bit inaccurate, I'd venture to say it is more, but that might be because I live in a fairly blue collar city.
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If only there was some kind of solution to this problem....some kind of...final solution.
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oh snap
Post Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:41 pm
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mzehe916 wrote:
Yeah, it is pretty interesting. The big news has always been up on some "they don't want to assimilate" type shit when talking about Turkish youth in Germany. Not wanting to speak the language, follow through in the school system (resulting in higher education). Meanwhile, Germany's population growth rate is -.053% (2009), so there is a need to fill the gap otherwise the dependency ratio in the future will be off balance. I don't know....it is confusing. Turkish were more than welcome here when the coal industry was booming, now attitudes change. It is similar to the relationship between Mexican migrant workers and U.S. citizens. "We don't want you but we kind of need you" type of relationship. But the Muslim hate train is all around Europe. Belgium, France, the Netherlands...it doesn't stop with Germany. I can't explain it. I think the article saying one third is a bit inaccurate, I'd venture to say it is more, but that might be because I live in a fairly blue collar city.


Yeah I thought I saw those stats somewhere. Germany pretty much needs the immigrants, but politically as here it's a problem to distract with.

You'd think the makeup of the german football team would somewhat help soothe some of these emotions, considering they would not be nearly as good without their polish and turkish immigrants.
Post Mon Oct 18, 2010 7:49 pm
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from an outsiders perspective europe is starting to appear rather scary. even the british PM has been quoted as saying the BNP have "good immigration ideas".
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Would it be inappropriate to godwin the thread yet?
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Z-0 wrote:
from an outsiders perspective europe is starting to appear rather scary. even the british PM has been quoted as saying the BNP have "good immigration ideas".


Camrons a horrible tory cunt, but this is bollocks
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mancabbage wrote:
Z-0 wrote:
from an outsiders perspective europe is starting to appear rather scary. even the british PM has been quoted as saying the BNP have "good immigration ideas".


Camrons a horrible tory cunt, but this is bollocks
reza aslan quoted him in his speech at the melbourne writers festival.

i'm comfortable to accept that aslan may have pulled the quote out of his arse as i cant find the direct quote online anywhere.
Post Mon Oct 18, 2010 9:18 pm
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sarah FTW.
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Z-0 wrote:
mancabbage wrote:
Z-0 wrote:
from an outsiders perspective europe is starting to appear rather scary. even the british PM has been quoted as saying the BNP have "good immigration ideas".


Camrons a horrible tory cunt, but this is bollocks
reza aslan quoted him in his speech at the melbourne writers festival.

i'm comfortable to accept that aslan may have pulled the quote out of his arse as i cant find the direct quote online anywhere.


it's bollocks, Im sure of it, he'd be politically ruined if he did
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futuristxen wrote:
If only there was some kind of solution to this problem....some kind of...final solution.


Not that it is really that close, but what has been compared to the third reich in the press is France's eviction of Romas back to Romania.

Many countries push for the ban of burkas....for the rights of the women of course. Of course.
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Italy is also after the Romas, no?

What has been the reaction in Germany to Merkel's comments? Are they embarrassing to most germans, or are most just like "yeah...fuckin' turks"
Post Tue Oct 19, 2010 1:32 am
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Well, it has been two sided. In my immediate circle it was shocking. The tone in Germany is far from, "Hey, Turk, go home." I think the largest problem for the Germans is that they don't want to lose their language and culture. I could be wrong, but from what I see they still hold that important.

Also, the Italians hate the Romas. Hate, hate, hate. But they haven't shipped them out. They just let them die on the beach or on the street and carry on with their lives.
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mzehe916 wrote:
It is similar to the relationship between Mexican migrant workers and U.S. citizens. "We don't want you but we kind of need you" type of relationship.


Just to be clear, are most of them in Germany legally?
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