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Sage Francis
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Hip Hop Infinity people.............  Reply with quote  

No, I'm not talking about philaflavor. I'm talking about the original HHI.

If you have a bone to pick with Jay Seagraves, now is your chance. He is posting on Sole's forum at the moment. Please do yourself a favor and see what he's gotten himself into these days.

http://soleone.org/board/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=16968

I believe I was totally settled up with HHI before they closed shop. It's too long ago to remember really. But I'm pretty sure Fuse0ne had some major issues with dude so...go at it.
Post Tue Sep 28, 2010 8:33 am
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english bob



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ha! it still makes me chuckle that jay seagraves / HHI is a synonym for the early days of online 'indy hip-hop'. that site put me on to so much stuff it's ridiculous.

i have no bone to pick with him. as a customer, my orders were always received, and international shipping wasn't too bad if i remember rightly. in fact, i bought my first Sage cd from there.. still sick.
Post Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:56 am
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Neuro
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i bought men are from mars pornstars are from earth HHI exclusive!

that site was classic, im surprised no one has done anything similar since

Philaflava is nothing like HHI


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Post Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:27 am
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Buddy Peace



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To me it all seems like a "you had to be there" rap legend. I never had any product to sell there or anything (I think it was 2000-ish when I was visiting the site) but I had good experiences there as a customer. And I bought Still Sick on CDR from there too! Along with tens of other ones... Damn. So many. Good times. But I understand why people would be pissed at the state of things. I remember when this happened to labels and shops when I was working in a record shop. You'd hear about them going into administration and it left the artists and labels completely without payment. Luckily it could usually be handled legally but it's never good being in these situations.

I remember having more trouble with Sandbox actually - making contact with them was like shouting at a fax machine. Utterly hopeless.
Post Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:39 am
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Neuro
A champion of Kurtis SP


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now that i think about it

i think i bought Personal Journals from there too and i think i got that and pornstars from earth together

maybe, is that possible? hmmmm

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Post Tue Sep 28, 2010 10:47 am
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remind



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english bob wrote:
ha! it still makes me chuckle that jay seagraves / HHI is a synonym for the early days of online 'indy hip-hop'. that site put me on to so much stuff it's ridiculous.

i have no bone to pick with him. as a customer, my orders were always received, and international shipping wasn't too bad if i remember rightly. in fact, i bought my first Sage cd from there.. still sick.
Post Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:19 am
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english bob



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Neuro wrote:
now that i think about it

i think i bought Personal Journals from there too and i think i got that and pornstars from earth together

maybe, is that possible? hmmmm


since you mentioned it, i think that some sort sampler of mac's cd came with personal journals.. because i have this unpackaged copy of it that i vaguely remember coming with something
Post Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:23 am
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futuristxen



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That's the site that took me from Freestyle Fellowship into Anticon/Def Jux/and Sage.

Got my first Sage albums from HHI. Heard my first Sage song from that very site. Used to read those message boards when I was in high school and I think into the first year or so of college, before it all went bye bye. Philaflava is no replacement.

I imagine for some artists whatever money they lost there was made up for the exposure they may not have otherwise had. A lot of people would not have been heard of if not for that site.

I loved their lists and reviews and free music. This was pre-myspace really, so it was a great place to really learn about new artists and hear new music.
Post Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:24 am
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remind



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Yeah, the reviews were good. Even though they gave 5's (out of 5) to mad shit.
Post Tue Sep 28, 2010 11:27 am
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Mac Lethal
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Save for Company Flow, I didn't know the music I was experimenting with making existed in a stronger, more competent fashion until I visited that very site.

As repulsive as it was to see so many white rappers (I seriously thought I was the only one besides Eminem), I actually connected with it in a weird way.

I also remember writing a very positive review for The Blueprint by Jay-Z, and being smeared with 25 pages of insults by all the cats that now populate Philaflava. This was when Aesop and Sage could do no wrong. Before Dipset. Before Lil Wayne. Before Based God.

I have several things to say, but I feel like the healthy thing to do would be to leave my issues with Seagraves in the past, where I left them years ago.
Post Tue Sep 28, 2010 1:43 pm
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laurapalmer



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HHI and Sandbox treated me fairly well, and mostly didn't fuck up my orders.

When they did, they made amends.

I thought HHI did a lot to spread the word on artists and get music out there, and really, did that really well. It certainly personally introduced me to a bunch of stuff, including Sage.

If i was owed money, I would feel differently. But I wasn't, so I feel a little nostalgia and a lot of thanks for those sites. iTunes and amazon have totally changed my music buying habits, and evidently, lots of peoples, so I think that "doing a site like that now" wouldn't really work. it was sort of the combo of community and mailorder and being one of the only sites like it that made it work. Now, you have similar stuff happening fractured all over: here, fifth element, sole's board, lethalville, and on and on. but, as for ONE spot being a gathering place, that just isn't happening now. if rock the bells were to move in that direction, it might work, but i don't know another place that would have the eyeballs to make it happen.
Post Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:19 pm
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FuseONE



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I don’t have any problems with Jay any more. There are many more fond memories of the site and my experiences with it than bad ones.

Here is what went down for those of you who’d like an accurate trip down memory lane. Jay broke his hand playing basketball. He broke it so bad that he had to have surgery on it. As a person who runs a relatively new business tends to do, he was putting all the money he made from the site back into it. In order to save money, he also had no health insurance. So he had to use every dime he had to pay out-of-pocket for the surgery. On top of that, he could barely use a computer after that, which is kind of a problem when your sole source of income relies on having to be on one for 12 hours a day.

Did he fuck some things up when this was happening? Yea, he probably could’ve done some stuff different. But damn…he was forced to watch the business he’d spent years building get flushed down the toilet in a matter of weeks. I’d have wanted to subtract myself from the world, too.

My biggest beef with him around that time was that the same exact week he broke his hand, I’d finished my album, which he was going to put out. I’d sent it to him that week but then I couldn’t get him on the phone. I was pretty heated about it then, obviously, so I called him out pretty hard on the message board. Eventually I just put it out myself, and I actually wound up doing shows all over the country with people I’d met from the site…so as far as I’m concerned, it worked out alright in the end.

That picture of everybody with the HHI shirts still makes me laugh because I’m sure people still think I’m in it. In reality, Jay was the only one it who worked for the site. The other people were his brother and his brother’s friends and they were just manning the merchandise table for him that day. I haven’t talked to Jay in years and years, but him and his wife are good people and I hope they’re doing well now.
Post Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:35 pm
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Bicycle



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He seems to be handling himself in a mature fashion in that thread

I was down with HHI. It seemed like they were pretty open minded towards all that wierdo rap shit goin around at the time and actually reviewed the music instead of the artists. I was pretty young though and dont really remember much except for checking out clouddead clips
Post Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:04 pm
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T-Wrex
p00ny tang


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Thanks to HHI, I got to see Woo Child and FUSE One rock a show in Detroit,

Good times..

http://www.myspace.com/woochild1
Post Tue Sep 28, 2010 4:08 pm
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FuseONE



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I remember that show....we opened for Eyedea, right? I had slept like 3 hours in 2 days. I could barely make it on stage. I doubt it was my best performance haha
Post Tue Sep 28, 2010 5:08 pm
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