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Lazy Eyed Pea



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Jesus was god, Jesus was human. No more or less of either than anyone else. He was just very in touch with the inner divinity, anyone can get there. It's hard, people will think you're crazy for a while too... but anyone can find god within themselves. Jesus may have been a special human or something that didn't have to do anything to know he was being spoken to by god directly, but he was very much human. And god doesn't like the capital g, it's the same as allah or jah or something. There's no Christian god. The god that spoke to Jesus Christ is the one and only creator that speaks to all of us, even athiests.

god = self
Post Tue May 13, 2003 4:43 pm
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futuristxen



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hugh grants hooker wrote:
i wish i had more time right now.

check your bible again.

in the beginning the word was with god and the word was god... and jesus sat at the right hand of his father.

...jesus was with god in the beginning. jesus was never 'just a man'. he has existed since 'the beginning'.

the 'word' or holy spirit is/was jesus. they are referred to together so many times in the bible. its part of the 'trinity'. god the father, the son, and the holy spirit. they are 1 in the same ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE.

get back later when i'm at home. gotta run.


well...Jesus wasn't with God "in the begining" as you say, the son of god, yes. But Jesus no. There is a line of arguementation in early christological debates that Jesus was a man up until John The Baptist baptized him and God sent the spirit into him and he recieved the blessing. He was a very good man up to that point, but after that point he was a deity.

One need to keep Christ human, though, is to have him suffer on the cross, half the point of the cross was the suffering he supposedly endured for everyone's bastard sins--make him something other than a man, and you start getting into an area where he concievably didn't feel pain that we know or could hope to relate to.

There are so many diffrent interpretations of scripture--and even that word, "scripture" isn't as concrete as we make it out to be. There were tons of books, tons of diffrent canons in the early christian movements.

I always think it's silly to get caught up in the events or "facts" of what did and didn't happen in a religious practice. It's all faith. That's the begining and the end of it. You either have it or you don't. There's no debating whether something did or didn't happen if you want to believe that it did(or didn't).

The most important thing is a system of beliefs that actually helps you and does good for you, not one that is hurtful to you and those around you.
I feel like when people get caught up in stuff like this, it's in the same vien that leads people to kill each other over beliefs. Which in my mind is where religious practice takes a bad turn into something that I'm very much against.
Post Tue May 13, 2003 4:49 pm
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futuristxen



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anaheim13 wrote:
anybody ever read the gospels of thomas? some weird shit, i guess its supposed to make up for the 30 or so missing years of jesus that arent mentioned in the bible...makes jesus seem like he was an evil child...


http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0846.htm

theres probably alot of other sites with different information...


I've read a gospel of thomas, it was entirely made up of sayings of wisdom. One of my favorite things to read. I don't think I'm at all familiar with what you're referring to though. I'm talking about the gnostic text. peep that.

Also, the apocryphon of john is a dope read.
Post Tue May 13, 2003 4:53 pm
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scribble



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Lazy Eyed Pea wrote:
The_Human wrote:
scribble wrote:
as in saul williams

he kicks ass



Are you 12??


Are you twelve and a half? Cause I'm almost thirteen.



haha i know i diserved it now that i look back
Post Tue May 13, 2003 5:11 pm
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Lazy Eyed Pea wrote:
The_Human wrote:
scribble wrote:
as in saul williams

he kicks ass



Are you 12??


Are you twelve and a half? Cause I'm almost thirteen.



haha i know i diserved it now that i look back
Post Tue May 13, 2003 5:15 pm
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anaheim13



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futuristxen wrote:
anaheim13 wrote:
anybody ever read the gospels of thomas? some weird shit, i guess its supposed to make up for the 30 or so missing years of jesus that arent mentioned in the bible...makes jesus seem like he was an evil child...


http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/0846.htm

theres probably alot of other sites with different information...


I've read a gospel of thomas, it was entirely made up of sayings of wisdom. One of my favorite things to read. I don't think I'm at all familiar with what you're referring to though. I'm talking about the gnostic text. peep that.

Also, the apocryphon of john is a dope read.



this is probably what youre talking about....

http://www.westarinstitute.org/Polebridge/Title/Complete/Thomas/thomas.html

but that still doesnt explain the other website i found...also someone told me they were reading a book about it and that book relates to the website i found...but i didnt read much into it myself...
Post Tue May 13, 2003 5:20 pm
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God revealed a holy book to Jesus called the Injeel, some parts of which may be still available in the teachings of God to Jesus in the New Testament. But this does not mean that Muslims believe in the Bible we have today because it is not the original scriptures that were revealed by God. They underwent alterations, additions, and omissions. This was also said by the Committee charged with revising The Holy Bible (Revised Standard Version). This Committee consisted of thirty-two scholars who served as members of the Committee. They secured the review and counsel of an Advisory Board of fifty representatives of the co-operating denominations. The Committee said in the Preface to The Holy Bible (Revised Standard Version), p. iv, “Sometimes it is evident that the text has suffered in transmission, but none of the versions provides a satisfactory restoration. Here we can only follow the best judgment of competent scholars as to the most probable reconstruction of the original text.” The Committee also said in the Preface, p. vii, “Notes are added which indicate significant variations, additions, or omissions in the ancient authorities (Mt 9.34; Mk 3.16; 7.4; Lk 24.32, 51, etc.).”
For more in-depth articles regarding this subject, please visit the following external web pages: Confessions of the New American Bible and Bible Contradictions.

http://www.islam-guide.com/frm-ch3-16-1.htm
http://www.islam-guide.com/ch3-10-1.htm

The Bible Denies the Divinity of Jesus

Jesus is Not Son of God According to the Bible and the Quran

Jesus in the Holy Quran

Was Jesus God and Man at the Same Time?

The Truth About Jesus

The Return of Jesus to Earth

THE REAL STORY OF MARY
http://geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/3001/storyofmary.htm

Christ in Islam
http://home2.swipnet.se/~w-20479/Christ.htm

THE TRUTH ABOUT JESUS
http://sultan.org/articles/Jesus.html

Who Was Jesus According to Jesus?
http://www.islaminfo.com
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futuristxen



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^^^does this sound like tabloid headlines to anyone else, or am I just crazy?

Jesus SEEN AT A DENNY'S IN HOUSTON TEXAS, TALKING TO ELVIS REINCARNATED AS A WISECRACKING GOLDFISH NAMED PHILLIPE:

www.newjackjesus.porn.cracker.org
Post Tue May 13, 2003 11:07 pm
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saraja wrote:

The Bible Denies the Divinity of Jesus

Jesus is Not Son of God According to the Bible and the Quran

Jesus in the Holy Quran

Was Jesus God and Man at the Same Time?

The Truth About Jesus

The Return of Jesus to Earth

THE REAL STORY OF MARY
http://geocities.com/SoHo/Gallery/3001/storyofmary.htm

Christ in Islam
http://home2.swipnet.se/~w-20479/Christ.htm

THE TRUTH ABOUT JESUS
http://sultan.org/articles/Jesus.html

Who Was Jesus According to Jesus?
http://www.islaminfo.com


this last post is so filled with flaws and lies that i dont even know where to start.

this is why i almost completely refuse to argue religion on this board anymore. i'll put it like this: I've never cared for punk music. all i know about it is what i've heard from other peoples' discussions and read on the net, therefore in that area... i'm an ignorant. all i got is hearsay. so, by that same reasoning, i dont see how most people on this forum can feel secure in arguing the bible. all you have is some shit you read on the net and over heard in a convo somewhere.

the bible does NOT deny the divinity of jesus.

jesus IS the son of god according to the bible.

yes, jesus was god and man at the same time. he was the physical manifestation of god born of flesh because otherwise mankind saw him as impossible to relate to.

jesus according to jesus: 'i am the son of god, were it not true i would have told you so'.

on a side note, how can anyone 'believe in the bible' but just ignore specific parts? if you believe in it, then do it all the way. its importance depends on every word being true. if you dont believe one of the parts is true, well then you shouldnt really believe a word of it.

...and according to the muslim religion jesus was not the son of god, but he was a prophet. if he was a prophet then therfore he was truthful and would not lie. but in the bible he says he's the son of god.

so just dont go saying the bible is contradictory if youre gonna use the muslim religion as basis.

and most of all, if you're gonna put so much time into thinking about the bible. try being honest.
Post Tue May 13, 2003 11:12 pm
 
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hugh grants hooker wrote:
on a side note, how can anyone 'believe in the bible' but just ignore specific parts? if you believe in it, then do it all the way. its importance depends on every word being true. if you dont believe one of the parts is true, well then you shouldnt really believe a word of it.

and most of all, if you're gonna put so much time into thinking about the bible. try being honest.


You talk about the bible like it's always been set in stone...like what we currently have bound in the book called "the bible" has always been the entirety of the canon, when that simply is not true.

There are a ton of gospels...and that's just gospels that were written, a lot of which were written before most of the gospels that are included in the bible. If I remember correctly Mark is the oldest gospel, the rest were written well after jesus' death.

The bible in and of itself, even in its current state is a fusion of two seperate religions. Why do you think so many demiurgical, two god, systems spun up back in the day?

Look up a work by Marcion called the contridictions. It exists in fragments, and it will show just some of the descrepencies between the old and new testament.

I think there are actually at least 3 diffrent religious movements in the bible, you've got judaism, then you have jesus who's preaching a reformist vision, and then comes Paul who makes this brand spanking new messianic religion...the fact of the matter is that the new testament was bound to the old testament so that the christians could try and say they were just an outgrowth of judiasm and not some new dangerous cult which would have drawn the ire of the powers that be in rome.

I love early christian studies. Shit is mad interesting.
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gods name is suzy
she gives good head
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you people enjoy chasing your tails, don't you?
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my tail is much bigger than your tail.
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be that as it may...
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Didn't it say in the Bible, "For God so loved the Earth, He gave his only begotten Son"?

Isn't that your answer right there?
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