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http://sonoranweeklyreview.com/?p=1206


US Air Force spokesmen confirmed this week that the hitherto secret unmanned, high-altitude stealth jet, the “Beast of Kandahar,” was present at the big US air base of Bagram, in Afghanistan. Photos of the Beast on the Bagram tarmac – outside its regular base at Kandahar near the Iranian and Pakistani borders – appeared in various Internet sites this week.
Designated RQ-170 Sentinel, it is the first jet drone ever developed for military use. France’s EURO Demonstrator is a similar project which will be ready for test flights only in another two years.
Little is known about the Sentinel, which was manufactured by Lockheed Martin’s Advanced Development Program. USAF spokesmen disclosed only that its new deployment responded to secretary of defense Robert Gates’ request for increased intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance support for combatant commanders in Afghanistan.
According to DEBKAfile’s military and intelligence sources, Washington had a reason for letting the Beast surface at this time in the form of a published photograph and a note about its ability to fly over the borders of Iran, China, India and Pakistan for collecting “useful data about missile tests, telemetry, signals and multi-spectral intelligence. The disclosure came on the heels of Iran’s big air defense exercise for guarding its nuclear sites which ended in the third week of November; it appears to be a message to Tehran that all its war games, especially in intelligence and electronic warfare, were pointless since its skies are wide open to American drone activity against which Iran has no recourse.
Some of the Web sites, including the veteran Aviation Week, speculate about the Sentinel’s configuration and features from the published image, describing it as “a tailless flying wing design” with sensor pods built into the upper surface of each wing.
Its designation denotes an unarmed drone rather than the armed Predator UAV which has been used to fire missiles at terrorist sites on the Pakistan-Afghan border. But this assumption is open to question in view of the impression of “a deep, fat center-body” which could house a bomb or missile bay.
Furthermore, its is painted medium grey like the Predator or Reaper, rather than the dark gray or overall black that would provide better concealment at high altitudes.
Both these features suggest the mysterious Beast of Kandahar may have secret functions other than pure reconnaissance.

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I wonder if this is what Woodward was talking about earlier in the year.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/09/09/iraq.secret/
Post Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:50 pm
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attack of the drones

Debkafile.. hmmm
Post Tue Dec 08, 2009 8:52 pm
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Great find, thanx for posting this article. And bakemosphere, your insight connecting this weapon to Woodward's hints... equals brilliance in my book. (Few would even remember that article, let alone connect it; I bet you're right.)
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So this is latest skunkworks product?
Post Wed Dec 09, 2009 9:33 am
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skunkworks: Product development program established outside the normal process and/or premises to expedite it or keep it a secret.

Yup.
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The Empire and the Robots


A short while ago I dealt with the United States’ plans to impose the absolute superiority of its air force as an instrument of domination on the rest of the world. I mentioned the project that by 2020 they would have more than a thousand latest generation bombers and F-22 and F-35 fighter planes in their fleet of 2500 military aircraft. In twenty more years, every single one of their war planes will be robot-operated.

Military budgets always count on the support of the immense majority of American legislators. There is hardly any state in the Union where employment does not depend in part on the defense industries.

On a global level and with constant value, military expenses have doubled in the last 10 years as if there were no danger at all of any crisis. At this moment, it is the most prosperous industry on the planet.

By 2008, approximately 1.5 trillion dollars were invested in defense budgets. The US spends 42% of world expenses in this area --607 billion-- not including war expenses, while the number of people who go hungry in the world has reached the figure of 1 billion.

Two days ago a western news dispatch informed that in mid-August the US army exhibited a tele-guided helicopter along with robots capable of working as sappers, 2500 of which have been sent into combat zones.

A company marketing robots maintained that the new technologies would revolutionize the manner of directing the war. It has been published that in 2003 the US barely had enough robots in its arsenal and, according to AFP, “today it has 10,000 land vehicles as well as 7000 air devices, from the small Raven that can be hand-launched right up to the gigantic Global Hawk, a spy plane 13 meters long and with a 35 meter wingspan capable of flying at great altitudes for 35 hours.” This dispatch lists other weapons as well.

While the United States is spending such huge figures in killing technology, the president of that country is sweating buckets trying to bring health services to 50 million Americans who don’t have them. There is such confusion that the new president said that he felt he was closer than ever to achieving reform of the health care system but that the battle is becoming fierce.

He added that the story is clear, that every time health care reforms seem closer on the horizon, special interests fight with everything they’ve got applying their leverage, launching publicity campaigns and using their political allies to scare the American people.

The fact is that in Los Angeles 8000 people –most of them unemployed, according to the press– turned up in a stadium to receive medical care from a traveling free clinic that provides services to the Third World. The crowds had spent the night there. Some of them had traveled from as far away as hundreds of miles.

“’What do I care whether it’s socialist or not? We’re the only country in the world where the most vulnerable people have nothing’, said a college-educated woman from a black neighborhood.”

According to the report “a blood test can cost 500 dollars and a routine dental treatment more than 1000 dollars.”

What kind of hope can that society offer the world?

The lobbyists in Congress make their profits working against a simple law intended to provide medical care to tens of millions of poor people, mostly blacks and Latinos who lack it. Even a blockaded country like Cuba has been able to do it and is even cooperating with dozens of countries in the Third World.

If robots in the hands of the transnationals can replace imperial soldiers in the wars of conquest, who will stop the transnationals in their quest for a market for their artifacts? Just as they have flooded the world with automobiles that today compete with mankind for the consumption of non-renewable energy and even foods converted into fuel, so too they can flood the world with robots that would displace millions of workers from their workplaces.

Better yet, scientists could also design robots capable of governing; that way they could spare the US government and Congress that terrible, contradictory and confusing work.

No doubt they would do it better and cheaper.

Fidel Castro Ruz

August 19, 2009

3:15 p.m.

http://www.cubanow.net/pages/loader.php?sec=24&t=2&item=7592

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http://www.strangefamousrecords.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=804492&highlight=#804492
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Interesting. Looking at some of the images I found in the internet, it appears to be based on the B-2 but only about 1/3 the size.

I was a huge airplanes nerd when I was a kid. I made all sorts of models, and would read everything I could get my hands on about military planes.

My goal in life when I was younger was also to work at skunkworks, which is the division at lockheed-martin which develops all the really cool and secret planes for the US. Starting with the U-2.
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The Count wrote:
So this is latest skunkworks product?


for the people that work at skunkworks this thing is old hat.

the recognition of this vehicle is most certainly a front to avert attention from something way fucking more bad ass.
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Did you guys know about how the name came about?


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A team engineer named Irv Culver was a fan of Al Capp’s newspaper comic strip, "Li’l Abner," in which there was a running joke about a mysterious place deep in the forest called the "Skonk Works." There, a strong beverage was brewed from skunks, old shoes and other strange ingredients. Johnson’s organization operated out of a rented circus tent next to a plastic manufacturing plant that would produce a strong odor which permeated the tent.

One day, Culver’s phone rang and he answered it by saying "Skonk Works, inside man Culver speaking." Fellow employees quickly adopted the name for their mysterious part of Lockheed, where the new jet fighter program was brewing. "Skonk Works" became "Skunk Works." The once informal nickname is now the registered trademark of the company: Skunk Works®.



I've loved skunkworks from childhood popular science readings.
It's a great name. They brew murder juice.
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yourREIGNisOVER wrote:
The Count wrote:
So this is latest skunkworks product?


for the people that work at skunkworks this thing is old hat.

the recognition of this vehicle is most certainly a front to avert attention from something way fucking more bad ass.


Yeah that's what I was thinking. It just doesn't feel as big of a technology as that woodward article seems to imply. A remote controlled mini b2 doesn't even come close to the scale of the Manhattan Project
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????
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zeem: Yeah that's what I was thinking. It just doesn't feel as big of a technology as that woodward article seems to imply. A remote controlled mini b2 doesn't even come close to the scale of the Manhattan Project


i know, right?

plus, this thing, or at least this model, RQ-170, the R in the model name stands for unarmed. there has to at least be the armed, MQ, version, or an equivalent. which makes this one in the news seem boring and rather insignificant.

kind of odd thinking that out of all the things they could acknowledge existing and allow to be reported on, that they WOULDN'T pick one thats obvious mission is recon on Pakistan/Iran/possibly China.

America's enemies in Afghanistan don't have radar.
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I think it is the Omega beams.

http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2008/09/whats-the-milit/




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Danger Room What’s Next in National Security What Is Woodward’s ‘Secret Weapon’ in Iraq?
By Sharon Weinberger September 9, 2008 | 1:06 pm | Categories: Spies, Secrecy and Surveillance

Everyone’s buzzing about the "sophisticated and lethal special operations program" that Bob Woodward alluded to in his recent 60 Minutes interview. An important question is: what in the heck was Woodward talking about? Secret death rays? The Voice of God weapon? It’s enough to make me break from my current coffee shop lounging existence to chime in with some thoughts on the subject. First, let’s review what Woodward said in the interview:

"This is very sensitive and very top secret, but there are secret operational capabilities that have been developed by the military to locate, target and kill leaders of al-Qaida in Iraq, insurgent leaders, renegade militia leaders. That is one of the true breakthroughs," Woodward told Pelley.

"But what are we talking about here? It’s some kind of surveillance? Some kind of targeted way of taking out just the people that you’re looking for?" Pelley asked.

"I’d love to go through the details, but I’m not going to," Woodward replied…. "If you were an al-Qaida leader … and you knew about what they were able to do, you’d get your ass outta town."


I’m going to make a wager about what I think Woodward is talking about, and I’ll be curious to see what Danger Room readers have to say. I believe he is talking about the much ballyhooed (in defense geek circles) "Tagging, Tracking and Locating" program; here’s a briefing on it from Special Operations Command. These are newfangled technologies designed to track people from long distances, without the targeted people realizing they are being tracked. That can theoretically include thermal signatures, or some sort of "taggant" placed on a person. Think Will Smith in Enemy of the State. Well, not so many cameras, maybe.


Why do I think this is the technology Woodward is referring to? Well, first, because it pretty much fits the bill, in terms of the type of capability he appears to be talking about. It has involvement from a number of players, including the Defense Advanced Research Project Agency and Special Operations Command. Also, the Defense Science Board has talked about this capability in similar terms, saying "the global war on terrorism cannot be won without a ‘Manhattan Project’-like TTL [tagging, tracking, and locating] program."

Do I, however, think that there really has been some great big breakthrough, that, in Woodward’s words, is the equivalent of the "advent of the tank and the airplane?" Or, in the case of the Manhattan Project comparison, the atomic bomb? I don’t know what Woodward has been presented with, or what he knows of these capabilities, but I’m not convinced it’s as dramatic a technological breakthrough as he seems to suggest. That said, I suppose it could be, but it looks like we’ll have to wait to see more details.


Think how fucked up this would be in practice.



Buttle? Tuttle?
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I read somewhere that the Woodward thing was holographic technology that allows us to project giant 3D images of Muhammad and have him command people to surrender.
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