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ko-d



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tribalism is teh wackness
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 3:00 pm
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anomaly wrote:
because we're mutts.

I for example am Irish, Dutch, and Apache. I can't keep up w/ all those holidays.


lol..I never thought about it like that before.
I'm Irish, English, and Canadian
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:10 pm
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Everyone wants to be Irish on St. Patty's!
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:18 pm
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heh. i used to take classes with david roediger.
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:30 pm
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who am i ? :(
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 4:41 pm
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Travadone wrote:

who am i ? :(


that's Ben Stiller
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:02 pm
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Oh Daesu wrote:
I find, at least in canada, that if a white dude has even a bit of scottish or irish in their history, that's what they identify with. It's so douchy. Dude, who's one 8th scottish wearing a kilt on a formal occasion. Ugh. This is how a lot white people find identity, by finding what white 'minorities' they have in their background and running with it. This is the appeal of Boondock Saints, etc..

I don't know why it seems to always be scotish or irish though. Not too many people seem to embarce their ukranian or dutch background the same 'look at me' way.


from the east of canada, i find this to be very true. i find that most people here more so identify with where ever they're decedents from, rather than being proud of being canadian.

me personally, i am proud of being a decedent of ukraine but also very much in being canadian.
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:23 pm
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Mark in Minnesota wrote:
My father's ethnicity is Finnish; his grandparents were all socialists who emigrated from Finland after the "Reds" lost the civil war. Because so many of the Finns who came across after that war were socialists and communists, Finns in America had more trouble integrating than other Europeans who came across during that time period. They had trouble getting mining jobs in Northern Minnesota because it was assumed (often correctly) that they would lead attempts to unionize.

My father grew up mostly around other second- and third- generation ethnic Finns; their parents were for the most part ardent liberals and socialists, and many of them worked for co-ops.

Pretty much everyone on his side of my family celebrates St. Urho's Day; many of them are sauna enthusiasts; my father himself has gone to visit Finland and has learned a fair amount of the language. He's in touch with his ethnic heritage and has tried to pass it on to me.

With me, it hasn't really taken. I have a little bit of historical interest in Finland because of it, but I don't identify as part of the "Finno-American" culture the way my dad seems to. My mother's family is a mix of a lot of different ethnic groups; mostly English, Swedish, German, but a lot of random stuff in there too, even a little Native American. So I don't closely identify as part of my father's ethnic heritage, and my mother doesn't really have one.

I grew up in Minneapolis suburbs, doing about six years in the affluent Hopkins/Minnetonka school system and about six years in the somewhat poorer St. Louis Park school system. Those were reasonably distinct communities but I don't identify very closely with either one of them, which has made reconnecting with some of those people via Facebook a strange thing.

I'm also not churchgoing, so I don't self-identify as some American non-ethnic religious culture like "Catholic" or "Lutheran" the way some of my friends do; my mother's family, as I've written about here before, came out of an extremely conservative Methodist sect and identify culturally as American evangelicals. I'm not a part of that group either.

I do have some pride-of-place about living in Minnesota, even though I take a little shit from some of my Minneapolis friends for living in the suburbs. Even then, though, the only people I've ever really identified with were fellow participants in the 1990s-era Twin Cities Citadel BBS subculture, which isn't a particularly ethnic or religious group.

Which I think goes to the point others have made in this thread: as a white American with no recent immigrants in my ancestry, and as an American who has not joined into a religious group, I primarily see my cultural identity based on ways that I differ from my social norms, not based on the ways I conform to it.

But I'm basically sure that being white would feel like a lot more of a monoculture if I had been raised inside a dominating church tradition the way my mother was.


My dad is a Lutheran Reverend and growing up in that here in Minnesota, you do get a sense of culture. So many of the people here are relatively new to immigrate (Second, third generation).

We don't take pride in being 'white'. We give our in laws a hard time about being Norwegian (because we're Swedish). We eat lefse, potato sausage, rice pudding.

You do get a feeling for culture eating hot dish at church potlucks here in Minnesota, but fuck if it's a "white thing".
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i couldnt think of another way to put it 'white' was the most general way i could think of to put it
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mortalthoughts wrote:
i couldnt think of another way to put it 'white' was the most general way i could think of to put it


STFU honky.
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:36 pm
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Dan Shay wrote:
mortalthoughts wrote:
i couldnt think of another way to put it 'white' was the most general way i could think of to put it


STFU honky.


ive been called worse
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 5:41 pm
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the only characteristic that defines "white" culture is white supremacy.

i have been overseas for six months at this point, and i take great pride (and depression) in being an American, which is much more of an identity than most of us think in our insulated little bubble country.

mortalthoughts, do not ever phrase this question again using the term "white," which is an identity that was constructed to justify colonialism.
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Full blood Northern Irish, my mother and her entire family were raised there.
My father's parents raised there and bore him here.

I am the eldest female of both sides.I have inherited a great deal of responsibility. I am "to love/mate with no one other than the equal of my bloodline".

Well, everyone..I have not met my equal in soul or heart. So, therefore I have not married or mated. That is how it will remain until I and some male fall so deeply with each other,the rest of the world's opinion's don't exist.

And if so happens, our parent's and bloodlines agree, then so be it.

Memorie Shae
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This thread is really racist.
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:36 pm
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Mac Lethal 2007 wrote:
This thread is really racist.

I don't believe so dear.
Post Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:42 pm
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