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Post Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:24 pm
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It seems to me the outrage regarding drinking and driving is getting a bit out of hand. I'm not sure that society is getting a very good return on the investment. Sure, insurance companies/police/government are making money off of it now, but that's not usually who you want teaming up together and turning a profit. I don't have all the numbers to back that up right now, but that's my general perception, perhaps I'm in the wrong here...

40% of car accident fatalities are reported alcohol related, which is probably a scewed number, and the actual number of fatalities was much lower then I expected given the way the public reacts to the issue

I'm not trying to be an asshole here, but honestly the money spent/gained on this issue seems to the driving force and fueling public opinion

Reminds original post glorified road head more then drinking and driving, although the title was a bit misleading, this should have been a thread about road head.


So how are companies/police/government making money off of drunk driving, or drunk driving prevention? Am I missing something? If we remove the human/safety element the only way they're making money is by keeping a taxpayer alive. Otherwise I'd say that society really doesn't want people driving drunk. I can't think of a reasonable ulterior motive for that.
Post Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:54 pm
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When you get a dui/dwi, your insurance rates go up and you have to pay a fine, usually $500 to $1000 to the county or city you were arrested in. In addition to that, you often have to pay for alcohol abuse classes or possibly an ankle bracelet that will detect further alcohol consumption. Those are around $12 per day.

You take away all the rinky dink drunk driving arrests, and you are taking millions away from local governments and insurance companies. It prevents very, very little. Perhaps tax breaks and grants for designated driving services/businesses would be better ways of eliminating deaths if that was actually the goal.

We also seem to forget about the whole addiction part of alcohol/drugs when we discuss dui's. Addicts are not going to quit drinking because of jail time and/or fines. They are addicts. They need alcohol to function. Throwing jail time and fines at the problem is not solving anything, at all.

But it sure does affirm how bad it all is. If only affirming how bad it is would get people to stop doing it.
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tommi teardrop wrote:
When you get a dui/dwi, your insurance rates go up and you have to pay a fine, usually $500 to $1000 to the county or city you were arrested in. In addition to that, you often have to pay for alcohol abuse classes or possibly an ankle bracelet that will detect further alcohol consumption. Those are around $12 per day.

You take away all the rinky dink drunk driving arrests, and you are taking millions away from local governments and insurance companies. It prevents very, very little. Perhaps tax breaks and grants for designated driving services/businesses would be better ways of eliminating deaths if that was actually the goal.

We also seem to forget about the whole addiction part of alcohol/drugs when we discuss dui's. Addicts are not going to quit drinking because of jail time and/or fines. They are addicts. They need alcohol to function. Throwing jail time and fines at the problem is not solving anything, at all.

But it sure does affirm how bad it all is. If only affirming how bad it is would get people to stop doing it.


Pretty convincing, actually. For some reason the whole discourse on drunk driving assumes that if you're totally against it, you also have to be for harsh penalties.

I think as of now I'm for serious legal consequences, but I've known people who've had their lives fucked by the state because of 1 DUI (can't go to work because of suspended license terms, can't afford fines/classes, can't pay rent, game over). But our society pretty clearly overemphasizes "deterrence" as opposed to intervention or harm reduction. A lot of private (and even some public) universities will provide a free ride home to a drunk student no questions asked. In a less fucked country, we could probably come up with a solution more along those lines, that would probably do more to reduce drunk driving.

On the other hand, Sweden has a max BAC of .02 for legal driving, and 2 year prison terms for driving at .10 (aggravated drunk driving). Their drunk driving incidence dropped dramatically after implementing those laws, and they have really low traffic accident and fatality rates...
Post Sat Sep 05, 2009 1:23 am
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tommi teardrop wrote:

You take away all the rinky dink drunk driving arrests, and you are taking millions away from local governments and insurance companies. It prevents very, very little. Perhaps tax breaks and grants for designated driving services/businesses would be better ways of eliminating deaths if that was actually the goal.


Notice the steady drop.

YEAR #TOTAL #D&D %
1982 43,945 26,173 60
1983 42,589 24,635 58
1984 44,257 24,762 56
1985 43,825 23,167 53
1986 46,087 25,017 54
1987 46,390 24,094 52
1988 47,087 23,833 51
1989 45,582 22,424 49
1990 44,599 22,587 51
1991 41,508 20,159 49
1992 39,250 18,290 47
1993 40,150 17,908 45
1994 40,716 17,308 43
1995 41,817 17,732 42
1996 42,065 17,749 42
1997 42,013 16,711 40
1998 41,501 16,673 40
1999 41,717 16,572 40
2000 41,945 17,380 41
2001 42,196 17,400 41
2002 43,005 17,524 41
2003 42,643 17,013 40
2004 42,518 16,919 39
2005 43,443 16,885 39
2006 42,532 15,829 37
2007 41,059 15,387 37
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TurnpikeGates wrote:
tommi teardrop wrote:
When you get a dui/dwi, your insurance rates go up and you have to pay a fine, usually $500 to $1000 to the county or city you were arrested in. In addition to that, you often have to pay for alcohol abuse classes or possibly an ankle bracelet that will detect further alcohol consumption. Those are around $12 per day.

You take away all the rinky dink drunk driving arrests, and you are taking millions away from local governments and insurance companies. It prevents very, very little. Perhaps tax breaks and grants for designated driving services/businesses would be better ways of eliminating deaths if that was actually the goal.

We also seem to forget about the whole addiction part of alcohol/drugs when we discuss dui's. Addicts are not going to quit drinking because of jail time and/or fines. They are addicts. They need alcohol to function. Throwing jail time and fines at the problem is not solving anything, at all.

But it sure does affirm how bad it all is. If only affirming how bad it is would get people to stop doing it.


Pretty convincing, actually. For some reason the whole discourse on drunk driving assumes that if you're totally against it, you also have to be for harsh penalties.

I think as of now I'm for serious legal consequences, but I've known people who've had their lives fucked by the state because of 1 DUI (can't go to work because of suspended license terms, can't afford fines/classes, can't pay rent, game over). But our society pretty clearly overemphasizes "deterrence" as opposed to intervention or harm reduction. A lot of private (and even some public) universities will provide a free ride home to a drunk student no questions asked. In a less fucked country, we could probably come up with a solution more along those lines, that would probably do more to reduce drunk driving.

On the other hand, Sweden has a max BAC of .02 for legal driving, and 2 year prison terms for driving at .10 (aggravated drunk driving). Their drunk driving incidence dropped dramatically after implementing those laws, and they have really low traffic accident and fatality rates...


I'm with you an focusing on prevention. And Mr. Teardrop when he said that alcohol is an addiction. A focus needs to be shifted on rooting out the causes first, and then doing our very best as a nation to help people cope with whatever they're facing. It will cost more money, sure, but I think it's much more effective than just telling people "Don't do it, please." What's scariest for me to think about is that for every drunk driver who's caught and put to justice there are loads more who managed to make it home without killing someone or crashing...that night. But what about the next time?

As for penalties, there needs to be a more personalized approach. What's going to work for one person might not work for another person. Some flourish in rehab, some need therapy, some need jail time. Then again, Sweden's approach seems to work. I think people should be given second chance, but if they fuck up after that whammo! severe penalties. Let people know they can either turn their lives around and start making more responsible decisions or they can lose it all.
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when i got home this early morning, i had crazy drunk munchies. so i hopped on my bike and went to mcdonalds for some nasty, greasy shit.

can you get a DUI while riding your bike drunk?
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Estevan wrote:

can you get a DUI while riding your bike drunk?


yup. bike, scooter, lawn mower, anything basically.
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icarus502 wrote:
tommi teardrop wrote:

You take away all the rinky dink drunk driving arrests, and you are taking millions away from local governments and insurance companies. It prevents very, very little. Perhaps tax breaks and grants for designated driving services/businesses would be better ways of eliminating deaths if that was actually the goal.


Notice the steady drop.

YEAR #TOTAL #D&D %
1982 43,945 26,173 60
1983 42,589 24,635 58
1984 44,257 24,762 56
1985 43,825 23,167 53
1986 46,087 25,017 54
1987 46,390 24,094 52
1988 47,087 23,833 51
1989 45,582 22,424 49
1990 44,599 22,587 51
1991 41,508 20,159 49
1992 39,250 18,290 47
1993 40,150 17,908 45
1994 40,716 17,308 43
1995 41,817 17,732 42
1996 42,065 17,749 42
1997 42,013 16,711 40
1998 41,501 16,673 40
1999 41,717 16,572 40
2000 41,945 17,380 41
2001 42,196 17,400 41
2002 43,005 17,524 41
2003 42,643 17,013 40
2004 42,518 16,919 39
2005 43,443 16,885 39
2006 42,532 15,829 37
2007 41,059 15,387 37
I tried to find stats on drunk driving arrests over the years. Don't you think that would be helpful? If the arrest level is steady or rising and the death rate is dropping, I'm not sure what that really says. Also, if the total number of deaths is fairly steady while the % of dui deaths is dropping, to what to we attribute the consistency of deaths?
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Yes, the total number of deaths is consistent, but the population has not been.
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I tried to find arrest stats over the years as well, all I could find was the stats from 2003 broken down by state. CA had 178,000 arrests alone, and some quick math of all the states put the number at over 800,000 arrests in the U.S in 2003. I'm going to have to assume the numbers are higher now...

Does arresting a millioin people a year justify a drop of 10,000 fatalities over a 25 year period?

Again, it's seems to me this issue is more about money now then anything. This is now a multi-billion dollar industry for the police/government/insurance companies. Police are more aggressive about DUI's then anything else these days, it's like their number one priority. and the general public is completly OK with thiis. The numbers don't seem to justify it to me. The problem is not as big as it's made out to be, but it is profitable...
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Sarcastro wrote:
Estevan wrote:

can you get a DUI while riding your bike drunk?

yup. bike, scooter, lawn mower, anything basically.

Including bar stools.
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Sarcastro wrote:
Estevan wrote:

can you get a DUI while riding your bike drunk?


yup. bike, scooter, lawn mower, anything basically.


don't forgot mechanical barstool.
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Never had any close calls are far as accidents, but I've had a few times where I could have potentially been fucked with by the police and I managed to avoid them

-About 10 years ago when I moved to the bay, my friends and I had a few beers at my place and we decided to go to my buddys house. I'm driving and it's a weekday in the afternoon, when I see a check point up ahead. I see that I have no way out of this and start to think I'm about to get screwed. I wasn't drunk, but probably had just enough to put me over the legal limit if I was asked to take a breathalizer. I pull up to the office on the side of the road, and he looks in the car and says, "you guys all have your seatbelts on?". "Yes officer"... and we were out. It was a fucking seatbelt checkpoint... Which seems even more pointless to me the and sobriety checkpoint but it worked out

-Another time a few years after that I saw a sobriety checkpoint up the road and was able to make a right turn into side streets and make my way back home.
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adic wrote:
The problem is not as big as it's made out to be...


Death isn't a problem?

Your approach is like the Sarah Palin's approach to global warming.
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