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C.R.A.Z.Y



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what a wack season finale. so anti climactic.
Post Mon Jun 01, 2009 6:48 pm
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what sucks the most is that the creator did an interview and said that the bodies are just random passengers from the airplane. No one important.

I think you guys aren't thinking about the fact that this story continues. The deus ex machina (though not really) ending may seem infuriating, but it ISNT the end. It is another random event, yet directly tied to Walt's actions. I think the pay-off of the airplane crash will come out in how the story reacts to it.

The interview also said that the whole season had episode titles hinting at the airplane. Like one episode is called "Seven" and then "Forty-Seven" and then "Down" and then "Over" and then the last one was called "ABQ". They knew what they were doing when they started the season. It is a bizarre thing to plan out, but it wasn't a desperate attempt to wrap things up.

It wasn't satisfying at all, but I think it was more for the arch of the entire story, and less for the dynamic of having a great season finale.
Post Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:32 pm
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C.R.A.Z.Y



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CriticalTheory_Breakfast wrote:

The interview also said that the whole season had episode titles hinting at the airplane. Like one episode is called "Seven" and then "Forty-Seven" and then "Down" and then "Over" and then the last one was called "ABQ".


hey, the episode ABQ wasnt an airplane hint, ABQ is short for albuquerque

:)
Post Mon Jun 01, 2009 7:36 pm
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C.R.A.Z.Y wrote:
CriticalTheory_Breakfast wrote:

The interview also said that the whole season had episode titles hinting at the airplane. Like one episode is called "Seven" and then "Forty-Seven" and then "Down" and then "Over" and then the last one was called "ABQ".


hey, the episode ABQ wasnt an airplane hint, ABQ is short for albuquerque

:)


Airport...
Post Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:20 pm
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I'm not against the show's writers inserting a highly improbable event into the story as a symbol of the unintended and disastrous consequences of Walt's decisions. What I am against is the deceptive foreshadowing of this event throughout the season to deliberately mislead the audience, not in service of some larger theme or narrative necessity, but merely as a cheap hook. Lazy lazy lazy.
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C.R.A.Z.Y wrote:
CriticalTheory_Breakfast wrote:

The interview also said that the whole season had episode titles hinting at the airplane. Like one episode is called "Seven" and then "Forty-Seven" and then "Down" and then "Over" and then the last one was called "ABQ".


hey, the episode ABQ wasnt an airplane hint, ABQ is short for albuquerque

:)



Haha none of the episode titles were hints by themselves. But TOGETHER they make a hint. I know what ABQ stands for! haha, in fact, I was confused as to why the episode had such a vague, general title. Now it all makes sense.
Post Mon Jun 01, 2009 8:22 pm
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yeah the bigger problem i have is that they showed that same scene over and over at the beginning of all these episodes with no payoff. it was a cool scene, yeah, but i was tired of it after the second time i saw it.
Post Mon Jun 01, 2009 9:14 pm
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i like it cause it was totally playing with our expectations.
Post Tue Jun 02, 2009 5:56 am
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C.R.A.Z.Y



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CriticalTheory_Breakfast wrote:
C.R.A.Z.Y wrote:
CriticalTheory_Breakfast wrote:

The interview also said that the whole season had episode titles hinting at the airplane. Like one episode is called "Seven" and then "Forty-Seven" and then "Down" and then "Over" and then the last one was called "ABQ".


hey, the episode ABQ wasnt an airplane hint, ABQ is short for albuquerque

:)



Haha none of the episode titles were hints by themselves. But TOGETHER they make a hint. I know what ABQ stands for! haha, in fact, I was confused as to why the episode had such a vague, general title. Now it all makes sense.


thats really a stretch. even if it is true and the film maker meant it that way, too much of a stretch. it's like, grasping at straws. i mean they live in albuquerque. i live in mpls. if they filmed an episode here and called it mpls that would definatly refer to the airport. see. what a stretch.

well im done with breaking bad. that was such a wack season finale. you will find me hard pressed to enjoy next season. now ill just wait for burn notice to come back.
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Haha, really? It's so obviously ABQ (airport)... combine that with the other episode titles and it's patently obvious that this was planned throughout the season. Air traffic controllers always call the airports by their 3-letter name, and JAne's dad was no exception -- he said it several times in that scene... can't see how you don't think that's a direct connection and something intentional.

I liked the finale, though I agree with Critical that it's just part of the larger plot arc and the payoff won't come until we see the fallout. It wasn't as "finaleish" as last season's, but that's fine with me... the 2nd to the last episode was the most powerful, much like The Wire would always do with its finales.

Anyway, I love that Walt's actions are spiraling out of control and affecting WAY more than his family and associates. The scene with Gustavo and his partners in the FBI headquarters was great and sets up a lot for next season. Skylar is gone and probably will wind up talking it out with Ted, which isn't good news for Ted... Also, I was thinking that if the house is significantly damaged and they're examining it for evidence from the crash, Walt's little hiding place behind the insulation might not be so secure.

Also, the scene with Jane's dad was one of the best to me... Changing the J-tag from Jane to Juliet. Also, I liked the scene with Jesse at the rehab spa place -- you could really see Walt (not Heisenberg) coming out in the scenes with Jesse, and I think it's interesting that he's actually more active in caring for Jesse than he is his own family (hence Skylar leaving).

I can see being underwhelmed by the pink bear conclusion, but we'll see what the payoff is for next season. It was clearly a planned "plot twist" and not something cobbled together 4 episodes ago.
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oh man... you kids & your yearning for "payoffs"
Post Tue Jun 02, 2009 9:59 am
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well two people did die. the doll is consistent thematically with the daughters... it happened without it happening.
Post Tue Jun 02, 2009 10:02 am
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Stumbleweed wrote:
Haha, really? It's so obviously ABQ (airport)... combine that with the other episode titles and it's patently obvious that this was planned throughout the season. Air traffic controllers always call the airports by their 3-letter name, and JAne's dad was no exception -- he said it several times in that scene... can't see how you don't think that's a direct connection and something intentional.

I liked the finale, though I agree with Critical that it's just part of the larger plot arc and the payoff won't come until we see the fallout. It wasn't as "finaleish" as last season's, but that's fine with me... the 2nd to the last episode was the most powerful, much like The Wire would always do with its finales.

Anyway, I love that Walt's actions are spiraling out of control and affecting WAY more than his family and associates. The scene with Gustavo and his partners in the FBI headquarters was great and sets up a lot for next season. Skylar is gone and probably will wind up talking it out with Ted, which isn't good news for Ted... Also, I was thinking that if the house is significantly damaged and they're examining it for evidence from the crash, Walt's little hiding place behind the insulation might not be so secure.

Also, the scene with Jane's dad was one of the best to me... Changing the J-tag from Jane to Juliet. Also, I liked the scene with Jesse at the rehab spa place -- you could really see Walt (not Heisenberg) coming out in the scenes with Jesse, and I think it's interesting that he's actually more active in caring for Jesse than he is his own family (hence Skylar leaving).

I can see being underwhelmed by the pink bear conclusion, but we'll see what the payoff is for next season. It was clearly a planned "plot twist" and not something cobbled together 4 episodes ago.


thank you. i agree with almost all of this analysis.

it was cool that the weird bear/pool beginnings threw us off, but i was initially a little disappointed at how predictable it was after they showed the air traffic control bit. after digesting it for a bit, i think it was overall a pretty cool way to end the season, although i think it woulda been better if it was a crash into a runway or something a little more realistic than a mid-air collision. This isnt the deepest show ever, but it was interesting that walt pretty much caused that disaster and that he has become a father figure to jessie.

I kinda dont like walt jr - i think he's got some other motive for the website - i dont remember him being exceptionally close with his dad before this whole thing, and he's just playing it up a bit too much for my taste.

i think the Gus storyline will be cool next season, and im looking forward to see where they go with this - theyre gonna have to start cooking again obviously.

i totally thought the same thing about the parallel with The Wire and how the penultimate episode was often the best from each season.

All in all, great show, and i owe it to sff for turning me on to the first season. grazie.
Post Tue Jun 02, 2009 2:12 pm
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I rewatched it and Jane's Dad didn't say "ABQ"... but still, it's pretty clearly an airport reference. As to the title theory, I can't think of any other reason for the 737 episode title, and clearly the bear scenes were happening all season... seems clear.

Anyway, yeah, what did people expect? That's what I wanna know. Jesse blew up Walt's house because he finds out Walt basically killed Jane? Random explosion (water heater)? Walt decided to build a meth lab underneath his house, managed to (mysteriously) get more methlymene or whatever the fuck they ran out of, and blew up the house by accident? Rival drug lords discover Walt's identity and blow up the house?

Give me the plane crash. It's a slow burn, people.
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I used to work in the Albuquerque Airport (or Sunport as it is really called) as a supervisor for three Hudson News bookstores. Tough ass job for little pay. Although I got to drive around on the tarmac behind the planes in an SUV to escort external vendors. True story.
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