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August Spies



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libertarians are stoopid  Reply with quote  

"GREAT FALLS, Mont. — Montana's Libertarian candidate for Senate has turned blue from drinking a silver solution that he believed would protect him from disease.


Stan Jones,a 63-year-old business consultant and part-time college instructor, said he started taking colloidal silver in 1999 for fear that Y2K disruptions might lead to a shortage of antibiotics.

He made his own concoction by electrically charging a couple of silver wires in a glass of water.

His skin began turning blue-gray a year ago. "

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,64692,00.html
Post Thu Oct 03, 2002 10:18 am
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MessiahCarey



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The only reason that it got published is because it's Fox news...the Rightest of the right...of course they publish something that makes libertarians look stupid.

Peace,
Shane
Post Thu Oct 03, 2002 10:44 am
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icarus502
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Libertarian with the big 'L'  Reply with quote  

it doesn't take fox news to make a Libertarian look stupid.
Post Thu Oct 03, 2002 11:14 am
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MessiahCarey



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Re: Libertarian with the big 'L'  Reply with quote  

icarus502 wrote:
it doesn't take fox news to make a Libertarian look stupid.


HA!

They've got some good policies AND some stupid ones, but I figured you of all people would judge people individually instead of grouping them into one big hunk of flesh. ;-)

- Shane
Post Thu Oct 03, 2002 11:22 am
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BoggleTheory



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Do any of y'all Mass peeps listen to Jay Severin on 96.9 from 3-8??

He's a liberterian and probably one of the most intelligent people I've heard speak.

Driking colloidal silver doesn't make you a stupid person either.
Post Thu Oct 03, 2002 11:25 am
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August Spies



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well it was kind of a joke, which is why I spelled stupid wrong.

HOWEVER, MC there may be smart and stupid policies... there is ALSO smart and stupid political theories.

Also Libertarian is a very right wing political theory, unless you mean the true libertarian (socialist) use, so why would that go against fox news?
Post Thu Oct 03, 2002 11:49 am
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futuristxen



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I voted for Harry Brown for president.
Partly because I like the idea of less government. And also because Bush and Gore--> same diffrence.
I don't consider myself a libertarian though. But I tend to have some of their viewpoints on things, just because I want to be left alone, and I enjoy doing good things for other people, so am naive and think they would do them back if our society was structured a little diffrent.
Post Thu Oct 03, 2002 1:21 pm
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MessiahCarey



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August Spies wrote:
well it was kind of a joke, which is why I spelled stupid wrong.

HOWEVER, MC there may be smart and stupid policies... there is ALSO smart and stupid political theories.

Also Libertarian is a very right wing political theory, unless you mean the true libertarian (socialist) use, so why would that go against fox news?


Fox right wing is a little different than Libertarian right wing in terms of severity.

- Shane
Post Thu Oct 03, 2002 1:30 pm
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caligula



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i hardly see how one individual being ignorant in matters of health (which by the way is a subject where there is rarely an uncontested recommendation) makes a whole political ideology stupid.


personally i believe that this country would be much better off if the government stayed out of peoples lives as much as possible. i certainly think i know whats best for me more than a group of a couple hundred stupid rich old white guys in DC and harrisburg. and if someone doesnt know better than i am perfectly willing to let them lie in the hole they have dug.
Post Thu Oct 03, 2002 1:55 pm
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August Spies



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:"i certainly think i know whats best for me more than a group of a couple hundred stupid rich old white guys in DC and harrisburg. "

which is what seems so silly about libertarianism, lets let a couple old rich white guys who aren't accountable to anyone in corporatiosn run everything!
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Petrouchka Rasputin



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My ideals are libertarian, but I realize the average person isn't intelligent enough to behave if others don't force him/her too, so I guess I'd lean towards fascism for its practicality. Haha. I don't really mean that, because I'd only enjoy living in a totalitarian state if I were dictator.

Word up, Caligula.

August Spies - In a libertarian state, the rich old white guys would be accountable to every single person, for just as easily as they could be allowed to run the state of affairs, that power could be taken away from them.
Post Thu Oct 03, 2002 5:47 pm
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Petrouchka Rasputin:

Please expalin this to me. How could the power be taken away from them? In a libertarian state it is the rich who are the powerful, how can you take that away from someone short of stealing his money (which would be a very anti-libertarian stance)

Before you answer I might suggest you look at how libertarian ideas have worked in PRACTICE. It is true we have never had a "pure" libertarian state, but we have had countries (such as the U.S. 100 years ago) that were much more libertarian. In practice these policies did not benefit the majority of people, created monoplies and generaly centralized power and wealth.
Post Thu Oct 03, 2002 6:15 pm
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haha

I think I would vote someone into senate if they were blue.
Post Thu Oct 03, 2002 6:21 pm
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caligula



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im not a pure libertarian august spies. and you pointed out exactly where i am at odds with the libertarian party lines.

i believe individual people should be able to make decisions that affect their lives for better or worse. who is the government to stop someone from ruining themselves? thats the job of your family and your friends.

however, while i believe that in the long run a free market system will eventually regulate itself, thats not saying much for the lives of the people that it would undoubtably ruin. corporations were created to remove the risk from individuals, but they also remove the human element. i dont hate corporations because of it, but you have to understand where they coming from and use the leverage of the government to protect the rights and lives of people.

but thats just me.
Post Thu Oct 03, 2002 6:49 pm
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I would not necessarily disagree, but I tend to agree with the idea of human progress, I think have the technolgoy now to move past capitalism, how that would look im not 100% sure but I know it won't be going backwords. but thats just my opinion. peace
Post Thu Oct 03, 2002 6:56 pm
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