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mortalthoughts
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the removal of the 10 commandments statue  Reply with quote  

i dont remember where its at but i do remember it being said that its at a state building


how can people not understand seperation of church and state

these protesters look like complete fucking idiots in my opionon
what do you think?
Post Thu Aug 28, 2003 11:46 am
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Get ready for 17 pages of juvenile arguments and name calling.
Post Thu Aug 28, 2003 11:50 am
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haha
Post Thu Aug 28, 2003 11:51 am
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All I will say on this is I think it is silly that people always claim "our law system is based on the 10 commandments."

That is quite a stretch. Obviously western civilization is highly influenced by judeo-christian values (and vice versa)

but the majority of the 10 commandments do not pertain to our legal system in any way shape or form. For examle, the first three commandments are all about how you should treat god. (dude seems kind of full of himself make those the top three)
Post Thu Aug 28, 2003 12:30 pm
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this whole thing baffles me.

its a matter of the federal overriding the state.

all state employees in montgomery want to keep the monument in place.
the vast majority of the citizens of alabama want to keep the monument in place.
but some dude on the hill from another state caught wind of it and said he doesnt like it being there, so he's taking it away from them.

my favorite thing was when the guy who filed the complaint was trying to defend his 'removal' of the monument against the judge who was suspended while fighting him.

guy: look, you took an oath to uphold these laws. these laws include seperation of church and state. why dont you understand that sir?

judge: well, i can understand it because it makes no sense. you made me take an oath of seperation of church and state. yes. but, i took this oath with my hand on the holy bible... in a state office.


^^thats classic.
Post Thu Aug 28, 2003 12:34 pm
 
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johnny yuma wrote:
judge: well, i can understand it because it makes no sense. you made me take an oath of seperation of church and state. yes. but, i took this oath with my hand on the holy bible... in a state office.


^^thats classic.


Yes. A classic example of how twisted fundamentalist governments are.

We talk about having a problem with "religious fundamentalism" all the time...but that OBVIOUSLY only means non-Christian fundamentalism.

The bottom line is that the separation of church and state is NOT a federal vs. state issue - the framers of the Constitution (for whatever that paper's worth) did NOT give the states the power to override said separation.

The monument must be kept clean using public funds. That simple fact alone violates the separation of church and state. Homeboy should take his monument and (if it won't fit in his ass...) put them on his front lawn where HE can take care of it and not the taxpayers of his state...and if you want to take it a step further, most courts get federal funding - so it shouldn't just be people from that state that should be concerned.

Get your fucking religion off MY tab I say.

- Shane
Post Thu Aug 28, 2003 1:05 pm
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nope.

nobody was paid for cleaning of the monument.
it was done by a local church.
Post Thu Aug 28, 2003 1:12 pm
 
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johnny yuma wrote:
judge: well, i can understand it because it makes no sense. you made me take an oath of seperation of church and state. yes. but, i took this oath with my hand on the holy bible... in a state office.



stupid.
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johnny yuma wrote:
nope.

nobody was paid for cleaning of the monument.
it was done by a local church.


In a building that exists from MY money and the money of Alabama's taxpayers. It's not right. It is a STATE facility and it has a RELIGIOUS monument in it. How hard is that to realize?
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exactly my point.

its in a building paid for by Alabama's taxpayers. and THEY want it to stay.
Post Thu Aug 28, 2003 1:18 pm
 
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johnny yuma wrote:
exactly my point.

its in a building paid for by Alabama's taxpayers. and THEY want it to stay.


so what? that isn't how our goverment works. If it did Alabama would still have slaves.
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August Spies wrote:
johnny yuma wrote:
judge: well, i can understand it because it makes no sense. you made me take an oath of seperation of church and state. yes. but, i took this oath with my hand on the holy bible... in a state office.



stupid.


truth hurts. he took the oath on a bible, so if religion is to be kept seperate from church and state then his oath isnt even valid.
Post Thu Aug 28, 2003 1:19 pm
 
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johnny yuma wrote:
truth hurts. he took the oath on a bible, so if religion is to be kept seperate from church and state then his oath isnt even valid.


Correct me if I am wrong, but you can take the oath in different ways can't you? they dont' make a muslim take the oath on a bible.

anyway those oaths are shitty too, take it all out.


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Post Thu Aug 28, 2003 1:20 pm
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August Spies wrote:
johnny yuma wrote:
exactly my point.

its in a building paid for by Alabama's taxpayers. and THEY want it to stay.


so what? that isn't how our goverment works. If it did Alabama would still have slaves.


haha, you seriously are twisted, ignorant, and prejudice.

alabama would not still have slaves. period.

i thought we lived in a democracy, or at least a pretend democracy.
they shouldve been able to vote on it. then, after they won... they could go to court and remove it... THAT is how america works.

the people vote, then they ignore the desires of the citizens. you cant skip the voting part.
Post Thu Aug 28, 2003 1:21 pm
 
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i can see the points of both sides. who cares, it's in ALABAMA.
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